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help identifiying fender bass head

Discussion in 'Bass' started by Baderup99, Mar 22, 2007.

  1. Baderup99

    Baderup99 Guest

    OK there this bass head at my church. this is all the info i know. It's a fender head. On the back it says Fender 100B or fender 100 bass. model no. 1001852.

    Also it was being used with a Vox Cab Model V418, 4 ohms. Made by Thomas Organ Co. Westminister

    That's all the info I have on both of those pieces. Anyone know anything about any of it? Thanks!
     
  2. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    It is what it says it is. That is a Fender Bassman 100. Its nominally 100 watts, all tube, and was made starting in the seventies. It probably has a 'silver face' with turquoise letters. The cabinet is a made in USA Vox and the head for it would have been a solid state around 100 watts. It could be as old as the late 60's. If I remember , the 418 cabinet has an 18" speaker...but dont quote me on it.

    Both should sound very good as far as tone but will not be a lot of power. Probably plenty for the gig they're on.


    Why do you ask?
     
  3. Baderup99

    Baderup99 Guest

    they are at my church and havnt been used probably for like 10 years so they just collect dust. And I can probably get them :) So how much do you think they are worth?
     
  4. Baderup99

    Baderup99 Guest

    Ok so I had my mom check it out cuz she works at the church, and she told me that it doesnt say fender bassman anywhere on the head. Do all bassmans say bassman? She said it only had Fender 100B
     
  5. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    The amp head sounds like a newer vintage solid-state amp-all black, like the Rumble, which at one time was designated "100-B". The silver-faced Bassmans that I have seen were the Bassman 50 and 70, and the SUPER Bassman 100 and 135. These are, like DD said, a tube amp, easily ID'd by looking into the rear of the chassis. But you need to investigate this, because if it IS a silver-faced Fender amp, they can be a real gas and relatively cheap to own. Modding them out makes them a screamin' demon for guitar, too. Been there, done that.
    The Vox Westminister was the larger bass cab from "Tommy-Vox" (the other being the Essex). It had an 18" Goodman speaker, and is to be avoided at all costs. The Thomas Organ-manufactured Vox gear was pretty much crap, even in those days, and the Goodman could barely reproduce a fart, much less a musical tone. Attempting to replace the speaker in that cab may prove futile, as most of the Tommy-Vox cabs had particle board baffles that crumble from age. Can you say "boat anchor"?
     
  6. Baderup99

    Baderup99 Guest

    thanks for the info moonbaby, I'm going down today to look at them and ill get some pics, i had my mom relay the info to me over the phone so i never got a change to actually look at them but the second i see the fender ill know what it is. thanks

    How old is that vox cab do you think?
     
  7. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Dave was correct- it was probably made in the mid-late '60s. Around 1970-71, I had a couple of Thomas Organ Vox amps (a Royal Guardsman Reverb Twin and an Essex bass amp) that I had acquired used. Maybe I was a bit hard on the criticism of the cab. After all, I STILL have the Essex cabinet that I gutted the crappy electronics out of and re-loaded a 12" Celestion GB and a 10" Eminence Li'l Buddy into it. It makes a great-sounding studio cab with any head. But it IS uglier than the devil and SHOULD be a boat anchor :lol: With the exception of the front baffle, the cabinet is hardwood and well-machined.
    BTW, ask your mom if the cab is in a chrome stand/w casters. I believe the Westminister had this (my Royal Guardsman did). This was a fancy chrome stand that surrounded the cab like a "cage", and was attached to the cabinet on its' sides, near the handles. You could tilt the cab up or down to "aim" the sound. Pretty neat feature, and that REALLY adds to the value of the cabinet, because many of them are missing. Anyway, the cab alone might be worth $100.00 if its in clean condition, the stand could easily double or even triple that! Let us know...
     
  8. Baderup99

    Baderup99 Guest

    Hi moon baby i dont know how to post pictures can you help me?
    yes it does have the chrome stand with casters. i took some pics but dont know how to post them[/img]
     
  9. Baderup99

    Baderup99 Guest

    here are some pics, i just uploaded them to photobucket real quick. I still dont know exactly what this fender is...

    http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u29/Baderup99/FRONTOFFENDER.jpg

    http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u29/Baderup99/backoffender.jpg

    http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u29/Baderup99/VOXCAB.jpg
     
  10. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Well, the crappy firewall on my work PC is not letting me see your pix at this time. I will check them out this weekend from home. Later.
     
  11. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    OK, I gave you some info on the amp head on your other post. Here's the Vox:
    You do have the chrome stand, and like my Essex, it is more like a cart with wheels. No tilting like the Super Beatle or Royal Guardsman. Too bad the cab itself is so tattered, also like my Essex. Not surprising, the covering is not like the Tolex Fender used. I did notice that there appears to be a shiny metal dust cap in the center of the speaker, barely visible through the grille cloth. Definitely NOT an original Goodman speaker-good! It could be a number of things- CTS, Eminence, Altec, and JBL all made models with a metal dust cap. In fact, the speaker may even be a 15" instead of an 18" now. It really isn't hard to modify a baffle to handle a different-sized speaker. You will have to open up the cabinet and investigate this to know for sure. Let us know what you find if you do this...
     
  12. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    I finally got to see the items in question. You have gotten pretty accurate info about them both. The head is a dog....wait....not even that....more like the dogs ass.

    Having the cart for the Vox makes it more 'valuable' but wont make it sound any better. If someone has changed the speaker to something that sounds decent then you might have something there.

    A good speaker in that cabinet with a nice little Workingmans 400 SWR head would handle about any small club thing for bass.

    I wouldnt play guitar through either unless forced at gunpoint and that would be debatable if I thought i could get the drop on the gun holder.
     
  13. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    LOL!!!
    No. the cart won't make it sound any better, but it WILL make it easier to
    transport it to the dumpster!
    Somebody has obviously replaced the speaker, so maybe it's useable...
     
  14. SonOfSmawg

    SonOfSmawg Well-Known Member

    The head doesn't have enough power to do much but bedroom practicing, IMO (100 watts into 4ohms).

    You'd be surprised how much some people will pay for an old Vox cab. Some consider the beat-up vintage vibe to be very cool. I think it looks ... groovy. :roll:

    All of the Vox bass amps had POS drivers. Given the small size of the aluminum dust cone, I'd bet money that it's a CTS driver, and it actually may be the original. CTS were known to be cheap and to blow easily (resisting the dirty joke here).

    With a little modification, an Eminence Gamma 15A-2 driver would work well in that cabinet. You'd just have to run the driver specs and the cabinet size through WinISD to determine the port size.
     

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