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help me choose live sound recorder

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by skygzr, May 24, 2007.

  1. skygzr

    skygzr Guest

    Hi Everyone -

    What I'm looking for is a digital version of a four (or six) track recorder for live situations. I'll do all the editing and mixing on my computer, so it needs to have a fairly efficient way of dumping data into a PC. I don't need to use the recorder as a mixing or editing station so I don't care about those functions.

    It's gotta have XLR inputs with phantom power. A choice of resolutions would be cool (16/24 bit). Of course, I want the best gadget for the least money :wink:

    The discontinued Tascam 788 is available cheap, but it looks like it doesn't quite meet my needs. The Fostex MR8HD looks interesting and the price is about right.

    Any other suggestions?
     
  2. skygzr

    skygzr Guest

    Just to clarify: what I'm looking for is a digital version of a multi-track reel-to-reel tape machine. It needs to 1) record well and 2) talk to a computer. It doesn't need a drum machine or 128 virtual tracks or a hip-hop library. Simple, simple, simple.

    Thanks!
     
  3. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Hey skygzr -

    Based on my understanding of what you're wanting to do (gathered from previous posts), I'm afraid that neither of these devices are going to please you for very long.

    I actually owned the 788 for a while and hated it. It crashed all the time and when it did, it didn't save the data it had written up to that point. In other words, it's a no go for live gigs. I don't know how the Fostex handles the same kinds of situations, but in general, I don't think you'll be pleased with those results for very long.

    The only thing I could possibly think to recommend as an all-in one box would be the Edirol R4. It's only 4 channels, but from everything I've seen and heard, it's pretty darned nice.

    Other than that, I would urge you to consider a firewire/laptop combination. Or, an Alesis HD24 with a Mackie Onyx 800R. Granted, either of these solutions will cost you a bit more money, but I promise you, any money spent now on a compromise solution will be money wasted.

    Cheers and good luck!

    J.
     
  4. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    On a side note - you're looking for what I've considered to be my holy grail for a while -

    8 track recorder
    8 built-in NICE pres
    8 channels of good A/D
    Small package.

    If I could find one of these, I'd sell my left......well, you know.....to afford one!
     
  5. Halifaxsoundguy

    Halifaxsoundguy Active Member


    Boss BR-1600

    Yeah, I said it. I still use my BR-8 today it does things well. Not super great but usable. I tried the BR-1600 and could not find most the problems I had with the BR-8. I think it connects to the computer. This machine is a good machine for learning recording on. The BR-8 was the first of the BR models to come out. As I got more experience with recording I used to enjoy the challenges of getting an incredible sound out of a small box. I was able to beef up the sound but going Digital out to my HHB CDR for better D/A conversion.
     
  6. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    I appreciate the suggestion, but definitely not what I'm looking for. I'm talking about pres in league with my Millennias and Graces and AD conversion at least as good as the Aurora or Apogee stuff.

    I was talking about something along the lines of this:
    http://www.zaxcom.com/deva_58.htm
    But with a price tag over $20K last time I checked, I just can't justify it...
     
  7. Halifaxsoundguy

    Halifaxsoundguy Active Member

    Perhaps I should read the left side of the post to reconize by the number of posts to see if your a newbie. My bad. There'll be a time come when I can cut and paste that post into better situation. :D
     
  8. skygzr

    skygzr Guest

    Thanks for the tip on the firewire/laptop combo; I'd also been looking into that. Oy, so many gadgets, so little time.

    I notice that all the higher end devices use Firewire and not USB. I assume this is for the same reason that we don't use USB for connecting video cameras to computers. Even though USB 2.0 is theoretically as fast as firewire, the nature of the protocol makes USB unsuitable for high bandwidth, real time applications.
     
  9. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    The problem is that if you go much smaller than the HD24 you have to deal with a small screen and tiny buttons. Also, you need some space for the disk drive caddies (which is one of the best features of the HD24).

    What I think we are more likely to see is the pres + A/D in a single rack space at the Grace/Apogee quality level. Or does something like this already exist? All I am aware of is the lower end stuff like the Mackie and the Focusrite octopre and some of the higher end stuff that I don't pay much attention to.

    At any rate, that would give you your package in three rack spaces. It would be nice to get down to two, but that would be an awfully crowded interface.
     
  10. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    You'd be surprised just how good the Mackie Onyx is! My usual rig consists of the Millennia HV3D-8, Lynx Aurora 8,Onyx 800R, Computer (Sequoia) and the HD24. The Onyx and the HD24 are in one case (a 4U case) and it works beautifully for those gigs where I just need a few condensers and a recorder.

    The nice thing about the Deva is that it has a built in hard disc (IIRC) and it also allows direct recording to Firewire discs!!! (Super cool!)

    Again, that price is a non-starter for me.

    As for a good, inexpensive package, the 800R and the HD24 are as good as it gets. Like I said, I put them along side MUCH more expensive pres and rarely find issue. (Only issue - don't try to run ribbons with the Onyx. At high gains, it gets noisy fast. At regular - condenser-worthy gains, no issue whatsoever.)

    Cheers!

    J.
     
  11. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    My current semiequivalent rig is the octopre with the HD24. The octpre is the one "if I had it to do over again" piece of gear that I'm still using. The Mackie gets better reviews, but an even better alternative would have been a "good" 8 channel converter (say Apogee level) to use with my A&H mixer. Not as light and compact, but probably a better long term purchase for my studio.

    In term of using pres in this price range, one thing I consistently read on this board and have found to be very true is that almost all of them sound pretty good if you give them a lot of head room. Differences that jump out at you at the top of their range get very, very small with 6dB less gain. Sure, you are sacrificing signal to noise ratio, but its a good tradeoff. (And for those of us old enough to remember 45s, casettes, and 8 track tapes a little higher S/N is not that big a deal.)
     

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