Help me set this gear up?

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by woods, Jan 13, 2005.

  1. woods

    woods Guest

    I have in a rack: Manley Massive Passive, Vari Mu, avalon 747, and Cranesong HEDD. In my computer I have Samplitude Mastering 6.0. I have the MOTU 828mkII with firewire to get out of my comp. Genelec 1032 monitors. Lexicon 300 L reverb. Alesis Masterlink for burning.

    Can I set this up to do some mastering? If so how?


  2. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    What exactly are you trying to ask? Are you asking how to physically connect the gear together so signal runs through it, or are you asking how to use the gear?

    I find this post a little strange, if not disturbing. I don't mean any disrespect, but if you don't know how this equipment works, then how would you ever get anything good to come out of it? There is a lot of information that you need to catch up on before you should ever hit record. Maybe the best thing to do is to buy a handful of books and start reading them. Then I might hire a consultant to come in and setup your room and teach you what each piece of gear can do or not do. Then I would do some serious ear training to learn what to listen for. This should keep you busy for the next year or so. Or you can just hook up the outs to ins, turn all the knobs up full and hope for the best.

    I don't mind taking the time to help someone that helps themselves.
  3. woods

    woods Guest

    Come on man don't give me that. You wouldn't if you knew me. My god I just want a little honest help.

    Could you help me with a hypothetical question? Lets say that's all the equipment you had. And someone had a gun to your head. How would you set it up to at least try to master something? And yes I mean physically.
  4. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    What are you mastering?
  5. FIMseth

    FIMseth Guest

    I can see where Michael's coming from. By your post it sounds like you don't know how to set up your gear at all. This maybe the case and it might not. He's thinking, by his reply, that if you can't set up your gear then how are you going to use it.....let alone master a song. I'm just starting to post things on this wonderful forum, but I have been reading posts from this place for awhile now, I have definately learned that you have to be very specific when posting stuff.
  6. woods

    woods Guest

    I have a project here that is similar to the Johnny Cash stuff that Rick Rubin did. Primarily a singer songwriter. Most of the tracks are built around guitar and vocals. Most cuts are multiple tracks - the basic tracks of acoustic gtr and vocal - some vocals doubled some gtr stereo. Then there are various additional tracks for upright bass, mandolin, fiddle, dobro, snare, congas, percussion.

    I recorded the stuff and mixed to the Masterlink. I would like to try using a 24bit version into my computer's CDROM. Then do some track spacing, and cross fade stuff, juggling tracks around with Samplitude 6. I am thinking about coming out of the firewire connector into the MOTU 828mkII - then into the HEDD via SPDIF. Then ou the HEDD analog into Massive Passive, Vari mu etc.

    I just never tried this before and wonder about the signal path.

    Just wondering what you would do in this situation (if that's all the gear you had to work with)

  7. Reggie

    Reggie Well-Known Member

    If I had all that stuff, I'm not sure I would still need to ask how to "set them up to do some mastering." Unless I stumbled onto that gear through an inheritance or something. :D
    I wonder if this guy isn't just trying to get some mastering engineer "secrets" out of you guys without actually coming out and saying what is up.
    Have you just been using the gear for tracking or something up till now?
  8. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    I would say that would probably be the best way. Does the HEDD's A/D and D/A work seperately? Or you can play out of the masterlink into the HEDD D/A>analog gear>HEDD A/D>digital out into the MOTU. Either way would work.
  9. woods

    woods Guest

    Yes just used for tracking to now. And want to try a little home mastering if that is possible?

    Thanks anyways guys. Really appreciate your feedback.
  10. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member

    woods, looks like you have it connected correctly if it is what you want of course. Like Michael said, it works both ways. Make sure you have great cables too as well as good clocking.

  11. woods

    woods Guest

    Yeh I got the stuf wired together but just wasn't sure about the order of stuff. Like whether the eq should come before or after the limiter? Whether you might want to use bot the vari mu and the 747? I have read aboutguys using the varimu in conjunction with a second compressor/limiter.

    I guess I was just wondering if you could hook everything together in a chain with the monitors at the end and go to work on the sound from that stand point?

    I mean I do not have a mastering console. So I was wondering if it was technically feasible to work without one? Have any of you guys ever done any mastering without a mastering console?

  12. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member

    Well, it depends, here again it is a combination of what is needed, what you want to achieve but I prefer to eq before comp. 2 comp or Limiter ? Depends on what the goal is. Personnaly, I do not see the need for the 747 and the v-mu in the same chain for this purpose.

    You do not have to have a Mastering console but it makes life much simpler.


  13. Ammitsboel

    Ammitsboel Member

    Woods, please read some books(fx. Bob K's) and surf the forum.
    I find it very odd that you have this equipment and don't know how to use it!?.... WHAT THE #### IS HAPPENING TO THIS FORUM!!!

    Is this a joke???
  14. Ammitsboel

    Ammitsboel Member

    You sound like one of those engineers that doesn't have an opinion on their own and make absolute crap music without artistic detail!

    AAARH!!... just a joke... but maybe you should focus on not getting down the wrong road.

    My advice is to spent one month on each unit so you can really listening to what the specific unit does to the sound, only when you know that you can begin to use them together and discover how they sound together in different configurations.
    If you don't take your time doing this you might as well through it all on the floor! ...or out the window.

    Best Regards
  15. mixandmaster

    mixandmaster Active Member

    Don't do that. You can always send them to me, I'll take good care of them. :cool:
  16. woods

    woods Guest

    Thanks alot boys. Some decent people around.
  17. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    you made Henrik upset.
  18. woods

    woods Guest

    The grave's a fine and quiet place. But none I think do there embrace.

    My apologies. And thanks again.
  19. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    Let us know how it turns out.

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