Help with configuration please. Dont want mistake in software (want cakewalk) or syst

Discussion in 'Tracking / Mixing / Editing' started by Rod_61, Apr 29, 2011.

  1. Rod_61

    Rod_61 Active Member

    My brother in law just recently sent me a computer (DELL optiplex GX620)
    specs :Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.80 GHZ 3.80GHZ. 2gs of RAM64 bit OS..I have hyperthreading as well running windows 7.
    A Dell inspiron 4150 laptop. (just fixed it from a crash the day b4 i got the optiplex..that was fun..not)(1.8 GHZ and has a P4 . 256k of RAM.) How to xfer directly without going through the NEO or wirelessly? Further what is the best way for me to use these two computers regarding music editing and finalization. once i get Sonar X1? Will my optiplex run sonar efficiently by itself??? I am planning on recording everything thru the Tascam NEO 2488 then uploading via usb to the Optiplex for editing. Then to the 4150 inspiron as an ext HD? Does this seem right? (Saving for a macbook for next year with inc tax refund but need to get out product before then) Also any way to make both computers work off each other like a dual processor.. THATS NOT gonna jeapordize or compromise anything? I really like the optiplex and it will evcentually be my everyday comp...now may use it only for sonar and music apps. Dont want to mess it up. Overall what is my best option until i get macbook pro next income tax refund? Am i good until?
     
  2. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    You are not going to be able to chain those two computers together for any benefit. If you need a second hard drive then do what everyone does and purchase an external usb or firewire drive. On the desktop you can simply purchase a second/third/fourth internal drive and hook it up to it's OWN cable. Do not daisy chain internal hard drives as it defeats the purpose of having them in the first place.

    Both of those processors are quite aged but both can be made to work for audio provided your expectations are realistic and limited. They aren't going to handle VSTi instruments worth a darn and not too many tracks either. They should be good enough to do moderate work IF the computer is stripped down to it's very basics in Windows and all other programs are uninstalled and the Services are tweaked hard. If you intend to surf the web and do office work etc then forget audio on these guys. If the laptop only has 256MB of ram then forget that machine altogether. It's not worth the upgrade and possibly the motherboard on the laptop isn't going to work at all for audio production.
     
  3. gdoubleyou

    gdoubleyou Well-Known Member

    From the Cakewalk site, suggested specs.

    • Windows XP Service Pack 3 (32-bit)/Vista Service Pack 2 (32- or 64-bit)/Windows 7 (32- or 64-bit)*
    • Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.67 GHz/AMD Phenom Quad Core 9750 2.4 Ghz
    • 2 GB RAM
    • 1280x800 minimum screen resolution
    • 4.5GB for minimal installation, 15GB for complete installation
    • SONAR on DVD: DVD-ROM, DVD+/-R or DVD+/-RW Drive
    • SONAR download: Broadband or better internet connection for download
    • Cakewalk Publisher requires available web server space with FTP access
    Not sure about using two computers, some plugs have standalone versions that respond to MIDI, so you could treat one computer like an external midi module driven from the data from the other computer.

    I'm a mac guy so I don't really have any specifics for PC apps.
     
  4. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Both the computers he's talking about are way older than those CPU specs. By at least six years.
     
  5. Rod_61

    Rod_61 Active Member

    Ok I know that my computers are not the best or newest. Just wanted to know what my limitations wouild be regarding running sonar. I do fully intend on just using the newer ones to run my apps and do my editing on. Cut and paste, equilization, high and low pass filters. synchronizatiomn and general work on tracks. I'll use the other one for everything else i may need to do daily. I fully pol;an on getting a macbook pro next in eight months or so. I just wanted to know what i should, could get to get the best resilts with what i have. MAybe i'll rephrase this. If you were me and youi wanted to put put enough product to possibly finance further interest.. NOT recording directly into the computer or making " made up beats" on some virtual software. I can play all of my instruments enough to do the real thing. That's why i got the NEO> SO i can gig. Which I will soon. But i wanna know will i be able to run a drum kit via sonar ...thats probalbly all I will need. I play bro. I just want to be able to edit (which Audacity is already doing)and proghram drums possibly. NOthing fancy there will be time for all that later. Can i upgrade to 4gs ram? Duo core? I am hyperthreading at 3.8GHZ. Just made a friend thatv graduated from IT that told me that if i upgraded to 4gs RAm I could do what i needed to do personally. Im taking baby steps so I learn to work the "real" deal before the virtuaality every one is raving so about. I understand fully what the limitations of my computers are I just wanna know what I can do to maximaize and improve what i do have until I get the macbook with my refund if necessary.
     
  6. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    You mentioned Sonar X1. Does that version of Sonar run on a Mac?
     
  7. Rod_61

    Rod_61 Active Member

    I dont know bro. I'm new to this. I just make music. Im atryong to learn. I'll check. I really dont want a mac. I want to get a dell i5 or i7
    . Probably will end up doing that if upgrading to 4gs ram doesnt work. My optiplex is stripped down. My brother in law did the best he could and he gave it to me FOR FREE. cant neat that. I can uninstall everything i nedd to. But i need to know what touninstall. My dad knows about all that stuff but is a terribly busy man. He said he will make time but I figured i'd do some hunting of my own. I mean I'm already in over 2K bro. Dont want to spend more than 200 more including the computwer by JAnuary and want to be doing something serious by then. REady to get some ROI. If u had what i have what would you do?

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  8. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    If your friend graduated IT he should know that that computer might not be able to access more than 2GB and possibly not any more than 1GB depending on the memory controller chip version. Second, you keep mentioning Mac like it's a silver bullet. Any new or near new computer will do the trick for you. Equal numbers of folks run PC as run Mac for audio an you will still have a learning curve. Third, running electronic drums will be completely dependent on factors I can't infer since I don't know those computer motherboard specs with regards to routing etc. Also, people that use computer generated instruments for live gigs aren't doing it even on Macs of that generation so I think that is not realistic.

    It is highly likely you will be able to experiment and get some stuff working for home use but latency will be a huge factor with regards to performance and this will be equally affected by what computer audio interface you purchase. Live computerized instruments are usually MIDI based and require simply a midi keyboard controller to be effective.
     
  9. Rod_61

    Rod_61 Active Member

    sorry $2000 more is what im willing to spend over 8 months
    . Im about to make some business cards and start doing demos for people off the tascam neo. I can mix it all there if I want but I want to refine it in sonar or any program you think would be economical. The goal is to build the studio with studio money and put mine in my pocket you dig?
     
  10. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Sorry to be blunt. You're really not ready for business cards. You have a lot more self education to do before you worry about a business. Go intern at a regular studio or with a location engineer. You will learn more and faster.
     
  11. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    You need to look at the PC requirements for any DAW you are planning on getting. Sonar X1 is PC and is for Window 7 64 bit. You need 8 gig min to run that software in the VSTi world.

    You are a ways off of getting there at this point. Forget the business cards at this time as well. You are still in dream land and I mean this in a kind way. You need to spend a lot more money before you will even make it sound worth anything.


    Start reading about Sonar and what you need to record music.
     
  12. Rod_61

    Rod_61 Active Member

    So how can the NEO help me? HAven't mentioned that yet. Ive been getting some good souinds out of that. What type of processor do " I need" basic ? WHat speed? HOw much RAm will I need to do what i want to do. Will an i5 work effectively? I plan on using the NEO as my interface.
    I don't want to record directly onto the computer yet. Could i sync those live instruments with my tascam via mtc? Thats how ive been making my traacks and the loading to audacity to refine then back to the tascam for final mixdown themn maybe bak to audacity to press out of my tower. What would you do (with my budget) and how much would you be looking to spend when? I just asking because i want to know. Will it be better to just get me a drum macjine thatt rocks?
     
  13. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Topic moved to home recording.


    Cheers!
     
  14. Rod_61

    Rod_61 Active Member

    My computer is tweaked a bit because my brother in law works with computers for a living but he is busy as well. I know what im going to do. Just gert my feet wet. If my sound is right Im sure the proper equipment will be no problem. Im just goonna make me a demo and stop concentrating so much on computers for now. I am an artist. I just want to understand what i need. When i get the money i'll get a better computer until then I'm just going to post some web pages and get me some gigs. Again I play bro. DOn't know whta io been waiting for. I'll let someone else worry about all of that for now. I need to get about just putting it together. This has been bumming me out and taking up too much valuable time and ive been stressing for absolutely nothing> i just need to go play a venue and network period. A compuiter is notjhing if you got talent which i do because i know exactly what im getting out of the minimal equipment i do have. No doubt someone will recognize that. Tahnks in advance to all that post including those that already have. No dreams here mate...just buitrtterflies. But thats ok too. Nornal. They alwAYS SEEM TO FLY THOUGH WHEN THAT FIRST HIGH HAT HITS. lOL
     
  15. Rod_61

    Rod_61 Active Member

    AND I CAME TO GET ANSWERS WHICH I GOT HOWEVER I GOT THEM. CONGRATS TO ALL. IM SURE THAT YOU WERE NOT ALL USHERED IN AND SOME OF YOU HAD TO ACTUALLY WORK FOR WHAT YOU GOT. hOPE ITS NOT TOO FAR BACK FOR YOU TO REMEMBER. GOD BLESS AND BEST WISHES TO U ALL.
    SINCERELY
    . SEE YOU ON THE CIRCUIT...BELIEVE THAT.
     
  16. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    You should look at the PreSonus 16.0.2 . It will do everything you need right now at your budget. I think you should look there! It has the firewire and pres ready for you. $1200,00 and you are way better off than going for something more highend but no money to get going.

    Hope this helps!
     
  17. Rod_61

    Rod_61 Active Member

    i do have windows 7 64 bit sir. with a 4HT pentium that is hyperthreading. I also know that i can use it to do basic editing cause im doing that already and getting some wicked s@#$. I wont be "home recording" for long.
     
  18. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

  19. Rod_61

    Rod_61 Active Member

    Thank you so much for a direct answer audiolid thats whats up bro> im about top blow up bro. YOu haven't heard me and dont know what i know. lol. Teses computers are just bumming me out man. I dont wanna know about all this but i guess i have no choice for now> i cant wait till i can just make the s%$^ and get paid> i don't care who publishes it> I have a lot of knowledge about all aspects of this business. Thisis not some flash in pan. This has been long coming> I jus finally got the mind set to do it b/c of people bein F.OS. I plan on handling my business like business. Its just Its a bit taxing > I used to practice three or four hours a day> I doubt if Ive done that in the last 3 days> B/c i been tying to decipher all this computer copde. Im almost ready to go do a live open mic and just go off so people can see what im talking about. That'll be way better than what any computer could do> Im sure we could ALL agree on that>
     
  20. Rod_61

    Rod_61 Active Member

    Im looking right now bro.
     

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