Help with delay effects

Discussion in 'Tracking / Mixing / Editing' started by sirchick, Jun 10, 2008.

  1. sirchick

    sirchick Active Member

    Hey guys,

    I have made an attemp of a song called Tumble so far it is only 1min 40 seconds odd long. As I am struggling with the main solo which I'll probably be back with more needed hints and tips for it at a later date :p
    I've done all the instruments myself drums were done via midi, and have done the song by ear only. (kinda have no choice as no one has tabbed the song for guitar)!

    Original version is here:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=m-f7KNB5PYE


    My version:
    https://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=D3549FF77713B0C0

    I was told that my delay soundned really obvious that it was added in "after" recording which was done very dry, which im told is the best way to do it. How ever I am not sure how obvious it really is with the delay to the original as I have been listening to ths song so much fine tuning everything, so was hoping you guys could give me some pointers as to how to improve the delay if it is at all needed.

    Also if there is any thing else I should alter to match the song, it is most welcome, I am some what limited by my guitar playing skills on the fast bit :p But i think I am pretty close on the tone.

    Things I plan on changing is the intro harmonics whcih I know ain't entirely indentical and mostly re-recording off notes from the guitar.

    Hope you have some help you can provide! Thanks everyone in advance for any tips! :)
     
  2. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    Well I for one think you did a fine job.

    The echo on Joe's guitar is more reminiscent of a classic analog tape, regenerative echo on the order of 81 to 100 ms with a little regeneration to make the echo repeat a few times. It's also high and low pass filtered to narrow the bandwidth of the echo.

    What I found most fascinating is that your example is as Monophonic as You Tube. Your example is not on You Tube and should be in stereo. You Tube is not in stereo, for anything. It's a shame. Bunch of morons if you ask me! What don't they understand about stereo sound with pictures? Disney has been doing it since the 1930s! And saving bandwidth is a lousy excuse. To me, it makes You Tube almost worthless.

    Your Tube Not Mine
    Ms. Remy Ann David
     
  3. sirchick

    sirchick Active Member

    LOL, I have the real song on my itunes, but not really sure what you mean by monophonic as such I hear the difference between itunes and youtube but not sure how I fix such an issue in nuendo. I have some things panned slightly L and others slightly R. Just not extremely.

    Hmm, I'm also wondering how do you high and low pass filter on just the delay? Or are you referring to the guitar melody as a whole?
     
  4. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    If your delay plugin doesn't have HPF/LPF built in, well, you're stuck for adding that and I wouldn't worry about it.
     
  5. sirchick

    sirchick Active Member

    Do you know any freeware good quality delay plugins (vsti).. or cheap ones on the market ? I have to worry, i want to get it as exact as possible :p
     
  6. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    those old analog delays
    especially the stomp boxes
    use a (BB) Bucket Brigade method

    as Remy said
    have a limited frequency response
    and tend to distort

    the distortion gets worse for each repeat

    and that timing of "81 to 100 ms" can be less than stable with each repeat/regeneration coming quicker ... (the delay gets shorter)
    at least I think that what happens

    it's all part of what makes those analog delays different from the digital delays

    a bit like analog synths in that
    it's what they get wrong that makes them cool
     
  7. sirchick

    sirchick Active Member

    I don't quite follow with the regeneration stuff..not sure what you mean by it.

    Do you mean like a delay... then a second delay comes in slightly quicker after the first delay?

    so like:
    source ............delay...delay

    With the gaps between the words = ms amount ?

    So is it not really possible to mimic the delay digitally as similiar to Joe's method there must be a decent digital plugin that can mimic that analog delay ?
     
  8. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Kjaerhus Classic Delay. Analogue delay emulation. HPF/LPF a generally good all around delay plug. Not awesome but good for the price.

    http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/download.php
     
  9. sirchick

    sirchick Active Member

    Thankyou hueseph.


    How do you guys hear the difference between these delays, its quite brilliant how you can hear it. I would not have a clue.
     
  10. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    yes

    simple digital delay
    source..........delay..........delay..........delay

    analog BB delay
    source..........delay[color].......[color=Dark Red]delay[color]....delay[color]

    I can't get the clor thing to work
    I wanted the colors to show the more distorted delays

    so without colors

    analog BB delay
    source..........delay.......delay....delay

    I think I remember reading about a Plug for the Tel-Ray and it might be ok
     
  11. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    source..........delay.......delay....delay

    You forgot the / in the [/color]
     
  12. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    d'oh
     
  13. sirchick

    sirchick Active Member

    I see! I can hear it slightly now that I know what im listening for. Thanks for the help! :)
     
  14. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    KVRAudio (not to plug (not intending a pun) the site, but it) has stashes of plugins in their database. Set to free, commercial, whatever (use the advanced search).
    Also, effects are VSTs, a VSTi is a virtual instrument.
     
  15. sirchick

    sirchick Active Member

    Argh thankyou for the infomation! :)
     

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