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Help with upgrade decision please!!

Discussion in 'Recording' started by musiclovertw, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. musiclovertw

    musiclovertw Active Member


    Im very new to the forum thing, but it's worth the try.
    Im currently using a Digi 003 and have a couple of
    presonus 26•26 firestudios. I wanna upgrade to a better

    What would u suggest?? I was looking a MOTU HD 192
    system or even a nice pro tools had system(used)
    And if it's in the price range. Thanks and please help!
  2. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    That looks nice,

    I'd buy a StudioLive 16.4.2 or 24.4.2 or the new 32.4.2(coming this summer) and Studio One 2 and be done with it. But, if you are going digi, just buy a complete used HD system. Or, step up your game all together and get away from Avid. Invest in better micpres, gear etc. $$$ and stay away from the converters with pre's like you have. Go modular and pick pieces you can sell, trade, build as you go.

    My two cents :)
  3. musiclovertw

    musiclovertw Active Member

    Thanks! And I definetly wanna step up my game
    all together. That's my goal. Would live to invest
    in a used HD rig.
  4. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    "Better sound" comes from a lot of directions and not all of them involve purchasing new gear. Hows your room acoustically? How's your mic technique? Are you running out of tracks for your projects? If so, why? What is the nature of your desire for"better sound"? What I mean by this is where do you 'hear' the lack or what is the nature of this 'lack'?

    A lot of people get into this business (not necessarily as a 'business) and get only a short ways into the internal aspects of creating quality sound and do so without any real knowledge of the most important factors of this before they start trying to improve their sound with purchases that may or may not give the results they wish for. You could be a completely seasoned pro for all I know and this will fall on deaf ears, but your post doesnt really address this so this is my standard line of response....ESPECIALLY to newer users of gear. My appologies if this doesnt pertain to you but these are questions even a seasoned pro should ask before spending bunch of cash.

    You had mentioned PT HD and conversion to 192 so I will assume you have done some market research and are aware that systems like this are cheaper now than ever before. I upgraded recently but I left my core system at PT 9 and an 003 factory simply because in a couple of years all the HD and legacy systems will be unsupported. Probably something that Chris's suggestion of getting away from Avid has to do with (plus he doesnt like the PT sound). When I do upgrade my core I will be looking at open end architecture. That is something that is coming. There is so much information and misinformation that rooting through all of it to get to truth is a full-time job!

    I have friends and acquaintences in this business and there is a myriad of opinions about what is best and what will be best in the coming years. Some are successful and swear that a basic PT HD system with great clocking is all you'll ever need for Rock and Pop styles of music. Others swear that only the finest in headroom and conversion will do for their Classical and orchestral captures. Others have thriving businesses and havent moved past PT7 and a 24/48 system but have rooms that sound great and outboard that you could feed a block of families with the price of for a year.

    So theres a lot of aspects to "better sound"..."what would you suggest".
  5. musiclovertw

    musiclovertw Active Member

    Thanks a lot audiokid for that great reply.
    I would love to get in the core world. Just
    wanna be able to record 96k to get a better
    then I'm getting now in 44k. I'm using a iiMac
    With 14gb. I'm gonna get a quad Mac pro
    and try that out. Pci card u suggest?
  6. audiokid

    audiokid Staff


    but, FWIW, I usually stay around 44.1 or 88.2. Never seem to need anything beyond that. Everything becomes a big headache managing files that end up sounding like the internet in the end. Plus, everything seems to run smoother 96 and below. Sounds like you got that one figured out.

    You know whats funny Dave, my system is so huge sounding now I need to buy gear to squash it down to fit lol. ROTF.
  7. musiclovertw

    musiclovertw Active Member

    Big tree , what's your current set up now and do
    you have some mixes of yours you could send me
    to my email??
  8. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I'm just becoming familiar with this rig so, if you dropbox me something of yours, for fun I will run it through my rig for you. Takes only but a few minutes. That is how you tell the difference and I get some practice and a buzz. Dropbox works. Feel welcome to PM me.

    It looks like this: Starts out on the left and ends up on the right screen. One even flow

    I use 2 computers and analog in the middle.

    Sequoia 12 > Neos> Dangerous Master> Sequoia 12> internet

  9. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    P.O.R.N.. For what its worth I have a better chair!!!
  10. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    lol, I have one of those beautiful Herman Miller chairs you all rave about but it doesn't do it for me, Its parked in the spare room. It looks nice and is comfy but you can't play guitar in it either. And, I don't like anything behind my ears. I could hear a reflection from the high back right away. They are comfortable though!

    But... That was a good one Dave! Nicely done! howdy
  11. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    HehHeh....I have a Mirra. I liked it better than the Aerodyne as the arms fold down lower for this "guitar playing" you speak of. I also have an Ergon and an Equa both with the arms removed, The Equa stays in the office. Patty's orders. M-u-s-t o-b-e-y..........

    The Mirra is in my mix position lower back than the Aerodyne and wider. I also like the poly material as mesh better than the Aerodyne.

    So all you guys just building up to this....GET A GREAT CHAIR! really.....
  12. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

  13. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Looks like it belongs at Prince's old studio The Paisley Park summing chair lol!
  14. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Your's like this Dave?

    Love the FlexFront!
  15. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Here's a smokin' deal on an HD2 system with a Mac Pro included. About $3000 after shipping. Likely you will also need to pay the transfer fee for the HD software or, it may not come with the software at all. No info given in that respect. You may need to purchase an HD license which you can get for around $800 via an iLok license key.

    Avid Digidesign Pro Tools 10 HD 10HD HD10 HD9 ilok transfer | eBay
  16. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Okay, but where's the coffee maker?

    If you think I'm coming up there and working without complete and unobstructed access to a percolator full of Tim Horton's, within reach of your LA2's and 1176's, then we've obviously reached an impasse in contract negotiations. ;)
  17. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Well-Known Member

    I think you also need a sushi roll machine dispenser?

    I can't do anything without my Wasabi.
    Mx. Remy Ann David
  18. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Ah! I have a big Popcorn machine and an espresso machine behind there too! Bar full of wine, and my wife, working in Japan for years, is awesome at sushi lol.


    Come, lets party!
  19. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Well-Known Member

    No wonder you can afford that wonderful equipment! You don't have anywhere near as high a yearly sushi bill as I have. You lucky son of a ... opera singer.

    Did you know I also speak Japanese? Yeah, Sony, Matsushita, Toshiba, Toyota, TEAC, Yamaha. You see? I am quite fluent.
    Mx. Remy Ann David
  20. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    sushi... (shudder)

    If a sushi bill was the only thing standing between me and what I wanted gear-wise, I'd have Peter Gabriel's place by now.

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