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Discussion in 'Vocals' started by Colplayscientist, Dec 27, 2005.

  1. Hey I was curious anyone have any tips of how to sing with more passion? lol i know it sa strange question and i prob get no response but i have been told"you have to sing it with more passion...more effort" i tired puttn more effort but it just comes out the same...i dont understand "passion:("...is it cause i put the mic away from my mouth because its a cheap computer headset .....and it loses its edge ..<if i brg it close to my mouth it starts to get saratchy>
     
  2. Spookym15

    Spookym15 Guest

    Every single time I tell someone sing with some passion it is because what they are singing is dull, boring, no dynamics, and bascially sucks. If you need to stick a compressor on the vocals that way you can space yourself away from the mic but still get a good signal. When you sing remember to overspeak your words and to stand up straight. Get into look like a total idiot, who cares. I always try to make the people I work with feel as relaxed as possible and so I will act like a total goof so they get into the song.
     
  3. fstfwd74

    fstfwd74 Guest

    Sing more "purple"?

    I agree with Spookym on this one. One of my mentors talked about "passion" or "singing with feeling" being the difference between a rehearsal and a performance. First time I remember understanding what he meant by that was listening to the song "Adrian" by Jewel. Jewel sings a sad story, and a couple of times within the song it sounds like she's almost in tears singing it. It's very likely just the performance, but she makes it easier to get the point of the song across.

    I'm a vocalist as well, and I have trouble with it sometimes too. I think how it is done depends on the genre of music and what the song is about. Try to feel whatever the song is talking about... whether it's anger, sadness, excitment, or a party attitude. That's a little more difficult when other people are around, but if you "act goofy" for the benefit of the song then it will be worth it.

    That being said... there are some other things that are related to that. Volume of certain sections of the song (dynamics), breathe control, if you put some "grit" in your voice on certain sections, or how you pronounce certain words... all of that can help, depending on the song. Even having a good mic can help, in the sense that if the listener is distracted by the sound of a poor quality mic that was used... then it may be harder for them to get emotionally involved in the song.
     
  4. The song is the "scientist" by coldplay...its a very SAD song....its bout how he wants to go back to the start with his girlfriend after she dies in a car crash.....but like i tired singing it with some passion and pronoucing the words like chris martin and $*^t maybe i just suck at singing.......lol i need someone to tell me how ot sing wit passion which i dont believe anyone can just tell me and i will know...i guess its more from the person himself not something that can be taught:(... or maybe its my mic i dunno but thanx for the response
     
  5. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    My voice teacher always emphasized singing a song as 'painting a picture.' You have to get across the story and you are the storyteller. Of course in order to get to the point of 'painting a picture' you have to develop your voice to the point where you can controll it and you also have to develop 'phrasing' skills. Unfortunately this only comes about when you put in your time learning about your voice and rehearsing proper vocal techniques. While this is theorically posible on your own by reapetedly taping yourself and listening bak until you get the it right, it is done a lot faster by hiring a competent teacher/vocal trainer who can instruct you on proper technique. You can certainly also listen to vocal performances of your favorite artist and try to emulate them- that's part of learning. A competent vocal teacher though can break down the performance for you and help you get there. There are not too many shortcuts beyond a competent teacher. Even if you land a good one, you still have to put in your time and rehearse, rehearse, rehearse until you get it right. 8)
     
  6. ooo okay thanx guys hopefully it will work out and i will have the "passion" lolol.....thanx for the help
     
  7. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    the 'passion' needs to be backed up by technique in order to sound good.
    that's the way it is in any endeavor in this life. You can have the 'passion' to run a marathon but if its not backed up by training and conditioning you sure aint gonna run 26 miles... :D singing isn't any different
     
  8. jahtao

    jahtao Guest

    sex pistols or mary poppins, take notes : )
     
  9. ccool

    ccool Active Member

    Here's my advice. Passion = emotion. So, the key is to tap into the universal human emotions that communicate passion. Lust. Unrequited love. Death. Life. Survival. Glory. Pain. Loss. Anguish.

    It's a paradox. You must loose consciousness of self so that you only exist as a vehicle for the emotion. At the same time, YOU must feel the emotion - for it is only YOU who are expressing the emotion you're feeling while performing.

    It's like this: If you saw a real beauty, would you walk up to her, look her in the eyes and say, "Oh my God! I'm in love with you!" and really mean it. Embrace her. Then, kiss her? If not, why not? That's you getting in the way of the emotion. But, dig this!!! When performing, you can! Of course, she may be only in your mind. Ah, the beauty of the muse, mastrubation and music. There's a reason they all begin with "m". MMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm.

    Last night, I was listening to Masquerade performed by George Benson. Great song. It's a story of a guy who needs to leave a dead unhappy realationship but can't, and so the hypocracy of livng a love-lie continues, and they're lost in the sham without courage to call the game over.

    I suggest you watch a Bruce Lee movie titled Enter the Dragon (I believe). There's this opening scence where he pops a young disciple on the back of the head and utters those famous words: "Feel, don't think!" It's a good scene. Or, as was said in another movie: "Let go. Use the Force."

    ;-)

    cc
     
  10. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    Everybody else here is full of it!!

    All that is required to put more emotion into a song is to smoke a pack of Chesterfield's, some pot and a fifth of Jack Daniels. Then you'll have no problems. (don't smoke the Jack Daniels it's flammable)

    Otherwise think about going to your mother's funeral while singing.

    Remy Ann David
     
  11. i like ccoool and remy david advice ROFL they are funny
     
  12. I was also curious does TOO MUCH digital reverb take away the "passion" of the song? maybe i put too much digital reverb on it am a noob when it comes to working this stuff
     
  13. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    Well sure, too much reverb can make the singers sound more distant from your listener. Much less reverb will make you sound more intimate with your listener. So your observations may be correct? But then again, depending on how intimate you want to get with your listener to convey your passion, microphone selection and the preamp are the biggest factors in your sound in and above your sound card, recorder, etc.. The front end will determine the entire flavor of your song.

    Sleep softly and carry a big microphone
    Ms. Remy Ann David
     
  14. i gues i can add little bit of delay instead of like reverb..............i put amount of reverb u would get in a catherderal...is that really HIGH?
     
  15. ccool

    ccool Active Member

    Now, this is a case where thinking might pay off. Just how emotional can you get in a catherderal? Paul Horn playing his flute in the Taj Mahal. Yea, now that's cool. Jimi Hendrix or the Stones in church. They'd make it rock, but that just gets us back to a little smoke and booze -- which is probably the most constant emotional factor. And, if not with the artist, then so be it with the audience!

    Reverb, to me, gives a bit of "life" to the content. But, sometimes I want a more warm-and-fuzzy feeling. I believe effects can enhance emotion; however, too much simply masks what's there. And, you can't get more out of what's there than what's there.

    I'm no chef, but I'd better a raw (or burnt) steak doesn't taste any better with a heap of salt in it. Been there. Done that.

    CC
     
  16. so what ur sayn is ....less reverb and maybe some little bit of effects like some delay or little bit of reverb is better way of gettn my emotion closer to the crwod rite?
     
  17. pmolsonmus

    pmolsonmus Well-Known Member

    Despite what RemyRAD had to say, I would agree with Tiger on this one.
    Technique is required.
    The best singers I've heard and worked with or taught to become better/passionate singers were able to tap into emotion only after they could stop worrying about pitch, vowels, placement, range, phrasing, timbre, rhythm, etc...

    They became great singers and performers only after hard work allowed them to not think about technique. They were able to be "in the moment" of the song and create or recreate emotion at an honest level.
    The best actors lie to themselves until they believe what they are saying. Until you can operate at that level your performances will likely be contrived.

    The exception to this is the singer/songwriter who has put the effort into writing honest emotion into the words and can convey that in a performance without thinking about it.
    Think Dylan - how would he sound covering a Rogers and Hammerstein ballad?
     

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