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HHB TLA VTC Tube Console...phew

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by blake eat world, Jul 19, 2001.

  1. Anyone here sat down with this console? The idea of it sounds great, but the all important quetion....how does it sound?
    http://aes.harmony-central.com/109AES/Content/HHB/PR/HHB-TLAVTC.html
     
  2. miketholen

    miketholen Member

    if it's ANYTHING like ther rackmount units STAY AWAY! :D
     
  3. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    $*^t, twice in one week where Mike and I are in 150% agreement...at least about how the T-L-A/H-H-B/M-O-U-S-E crap sounds.

    The concept of a 'tube console' is wonderful, however the tube in that hunk of $*^t is employed as a marketing tool, not for reasons of sound. If you want a 'tube desk', get a tube desk...if you want a desk with some tubes in it, the Manley 16x 2 mixers are pretty damn good [Mike, if you haven't tried one, then shut the ^#$% up].

    Other than that, you might try getting a desk that sounds good overall, and picking up some 'toob' mic pre's/eq's/compressors/space heaters.
     
  4. miketholen

    miketholen Member

    Mike, if you haven't tried one, then shut the ^#$% up
    easy there Tonto.
    ;)
     
  5. I was almost certain that was the case, but it's just so darn pretty i had to ask.

    thanks guys
     
  6. etnier

    etnier Guest

    Originally posted by blake eat world:
    I was almost certain that was the case, but it's just so darn pretty i had to ask.


    I saw one the other day and it didn't really knock me out in terms of layout or appearance. The salesman seemed to have a real hard-on for it but it just seemed stupid to me.

    TLA is famous for grafting tubes onto circuits that are essentially solid-state, (with lotsa chips if I recall) and I'm sure this would be the case here. Do you know of a single TLA product that anyone is salivating for, socking money away for...?

    Plus, imagine what this would do to your HVAC load! I think the "phew" factor would take on an entirely different meaning.
     
  7. subspace

    subspace Guest

    This may be a simple exercise in photoshop, but here's a german tube console company: http://www.vintec-audio.de/
    At least they made the pictures prettier than the HHB...
     
  8. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder
     
  9. Big Toe

    Big Toe Guest

    would you guys keep it down?! I'm TRYING to sell my TLA C-1!
     
  10. miketholen

    miketholen Member

    Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha
    oops! ;)
     
  11. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    How much are you willing to pay to get rid of it? :)
     
  12. gie

    gie Guest

    Originally posted by John Etnier:

    TLA is famous for grafting tubes onto circuits that are essentially solid-state, (with lotsa chips if I recall) and I'm sure this would be the case here. Do you know of a single TLA product that anyone is salivating for, socking money away for...?


    That's funny...
    I was thinking to start a TLA thread more than once....
    Cause, when I listen to you guys (USA) there are a lot of negative comments for TLA..
    When I talk to some English engineers, a lot of them seem to really like the TLA stuff...

    Let's go on about this...

    I always had/have the idea that English records have a different sound than American.
    SO:
    Can that also be the reason why US-engineers hate TLA and English love it???!
    TASTE? :)


    So is the TLA-stuff more suiteble for the English (/European) market??
    :( ]

    So... British & US sound......
    :D
     
  13. yeah that could be true, George Shilling gave a rave review of the TLA console.
     
  14. Bear's Gone Fission

    Bear's Gone Fission Active Member

    Isn't there this big thing with Brits that it's uncool to care about gear or the technical aspects of musicianship? If those who are cool enough to be worth asking don't know, what value does the gear review have?

    I dunno, people have raved about pretty crappy gear stateside. I don't care what the magazine reviewers say, a lot of the stuff is crap. And the worst are the topologies designed by marketing departments, with tubes integrated into bad IC designs without any regard to suitable operating points or even thinking about whether it's an appropriate point in the signal stage to use a tube. Fact is, below a certain price point your odds of getting better gear is enormously better without tubes.

    Bear
     
  15. gie

    gie Guest

    Originally posted by Bear's Gone Fission:
    If those who are cool enough to be worth asking don't know, what value does the gear review have?

    I don't care what the magazine reviewers say, a lot of the stuff is crapBear


    OK.... but I was not talking about reviews... I was talking about "ACTUAL" engineers....
    remember? :)


    Let me try to re-do my question (if it's not clear...)

    Can it be that the British like the TLA and the Amercians hate it BECAUSE they have a different style of recording/mixing/mastering ???

    (You can say a lot about the Brits, but they don't MASTER as ridiculous loud as some Americans... ;) )
     
  16. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Originally posted by gie:

    So is the TLA-stuff more suiteble for the English (/European) market??
    :( ]

    So... British & US sound......
    :D



    Alot of people seem to compare alot of things with Neves because they were made on an island in the N. Atlantic.

    I don't really hear much difference in the 'sound' of a whole lot of 'english/european' recordings than I do with recordings in the US. There are also people I've met here in the good ol' United Snakes of Amerikkka' that seem to like the TLA stuff too.

    Then again 14% of the world's male population likes to take it in the arse. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just doesn't work for me...nor does any of the product I've heard from TLAudio.

    Your mileage may vary.
     
  17. atlasproaudio

    atlasproaudio Active Member

    One thing though about the Brits that I really admire is that there seems to be a total abandon of how sound is sculpted to achieve an end, where as here in the states the majority consensus seems to take on more of a purist approach. I think the "anything goes" approach seems more fun, and if I have to squash it, phase or eq the hell out of it, put a mic up a chimney or dedicate all this to tape then I am fine with that. Sure, waiting until the mix for dynamics and eq is safe, but who the hell wants to be in a box?
     
  18. Originally posted by atlasproaudio:
    One thing though about the Brits that I really admire is that there seems to be a total abandon of how sound is sculpted to achieve an end, where as here in the states the majority consensus seems to take on more of a purist approach. I think the "anything goes" approach seems more fun, and if I have to squash it, phase or eq the hell out of it, put a mic up a chimney or dedicate all this to tape then I am fine with that. Sure, waiting until the mix for dynamics and eq is safe, but who the hell wants to be in a box?

    Absolutely! :)

    Paul Woodlock
     
  19. jhan

    jhan Guest

    lets be reasonable : the mixer in question sounds like $*^t , thats a fact ! one of the reasons it does so :
    RIBBON CABLE !!

    any mixer that has ribbon cable in it for the balanced (so called mostly) audio wiring is gonna have crosstalk of the worst kind.......

    ohh and fletch : can you find me an extension card for my sony mxp 2000 ? i need to service that baby and need to do it soon:)
    the MCI JH 500 is goners......its now part of the pink floyd mixer that was used to do dark side of the moon.....56 frame monster sitting in marseille france.....ciao
    hanno
     
  20. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    I dunno if you can say its ribbon cable that causes the board to sound shity, our 9098 sounds great and ALL of the internal lines are connected via ribbon cable (including all the remote patch bay wiring, 1000 plus pounds of ribbon :)
     

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