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High-Hat Condensor?

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Doublehelix, Mar 31, 2003.

  1. Doublehelix

    Doublehelix Well-Known Member

    Any suggestions for a good high-hat condensor mic? I am thinking about using a small-diaphragm condensor, but I am open to any other suggestions. My price range is about US$500.

    This is not a mic I will use very often for high-hats (rarely will it be needed, but when it is needed, it *is* needed!). It would be nice to obviously use it elsewhere as well, but I don't want to rob the bank to pay for it since it will be a sparsly-used mic.

    I am thinking about maybe getting an old standby Shure SM81, or possibly an Audio-Technica AT3031, or AT3032. AKG has the 451, but I am not sure how it would sound on a set of hats. There are obviously several possibilities here... although I know I can't really go wrong with an SM81, I was just looking for any other suggestions.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    DH,
    The 451 is a great hat mic. Doubles as an acoustic guitar or acoustic instrument mic.. Also think about an AKG 414. Great hat mic.. the other uses are many. Has a hyper cardioid pattern setting. Very tight and great on hi hats. A little more than $500. You can usually find one for $600 used ... Kurt
     
  3. Doublehelix

    Doublehelix Well-Known Member

    I have always wanted a 414 anyway!!! :)
     
  4. ditto on 451 .. works great, and will blend in with whatever other mics you use or set you mic. I use the 451 or my schoeps .. the schoeps for jazz stuff, it picks up a gnat fart at 100 yds...
     
  5. Try the MXL-603S. Very good mic for overhead. About $100 each one.
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  6. lowdbrent

    lowdbrent Guest

    No, go with the 451's. The SM81's are not ideal in my opinion, unless you like your cymbals sounding like sheetmetal.

    I have a Shure endorsement deal, and they sent me the KMS109's. They sound pretty good, and they are pretty cheap. I have also used a KSM32 on hats.
     
  7. Doublehelix

    Doublehelix Well-Known Member

    I asked this question on another forum as well, and it is amazing that the overwhelming majority seems to vote for the 451! Funny how that works, isn't it???
     
  8. AudioBond

    AudioBond Guest

    I would agree that the 451 is a great choice. They make a great stereo XY pair too if ya get 2 of em. Used them on a Xylaphone once and sounded great! I also prefer small diaphragm condensers on hats. Octava MC0-12 works pretty good too. You can get one for $200 at GC. Not a bad mic for the price. Depends on your budget I guess. 414's are great all around mics (esp w/ the selectable pattern feature) but are more pricey as was mentioned above. So there you have it. Another vote for the 451.
     
  9. Hasse

    Hasse Guest

    The Octava MC-012. Get a matched pair with all the capsules and you can use them for a lot more stuff too. I'm very happy with mine. As a bonus you can get and put Lomo capsules to them getting a pair of high end microphones.

    Hans,
    http://www.hagen.nu
     
  10. Jim Chapdelaine

    Jim Chapdelaine Active Member

    KM184
    GT AM 40
    DPA 4015
    royer for darker sound
     
  11. silent_nick

    silent_nick Guest

    what is a Lomo capsule. I have a couple MC012's.

    Nick
     
  12. Hasse

    Hasse Guest

    Some info about the Lomo capsule:
    http://www.oktava.com/test012m1319.html

    Hans
     
  13. Screws

    Screws Active Member

    I used an AKG C535 for Hi Hat this weekend and it sounded perfect for the balance I was going after.
     
  14. wwittman

    wwittman Active Member

    My favourite high-hat mic has always been the Neumann KM-86.
    It's bright but even sounding.
    I hate the presence peak sound of the C-451 (on anything).
    KM-84's also work well (i don't like the 184's much).
    And from a different perspective, Beyer M-160's are excellent High-Hat or cymbal mics. They add a lovely smoothness to the sound without losing any top and their hypercardioid pattern helps you zoom in on what you're after.
     
  15. paul lani

    paul lani Guest

    does it have to be condenser??
    my fave mics on hat are sm7,sm 58, or beyer 160.
    most hi-fi queer condensers and pencil mics
    tend to distort so easily on hats - especially if
    its loud music. eq the piss out of a dynamic or ribbon,
    mic it up a touch closer than you normally would,
    and take the money and buy yourself a drink.
    the beyer 160 is a genius guitar amp mic , and
    the sm7 is probably the greatest lead vocal mic
    on the planet.
    p.s.: a 451 with 2 or 3 of those screw on pads are
    still a joke with the distortion issue.
     
  16. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    LOL! stealthbalance's answer to everything "EQ the piss out of it" Hee,hee,hee. :tu:
     
  17. lowdbrent

    lowdbrent Guest

    OK, this is more that $500, but well worth it. The DPA Compact mic. It is basically the same element as the Bruel Kjaer 4006, but with a new miniaturized preamp. I am doing a review of the DPA's for experiencingworship.com. Check out that site in June.
     
  18. paul lani

    paul lani Guest

    kurt-

    don't you hear often the distortion i hear so often
    on hat tracks?
     
  19. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    stealthbalance,
    What I usually hear is when the drummer beats on the hat with it partially closed ... that sounds like distortion to me .. but really most condenser mics will do 125 or better dB without distorting. I seriously doubt that a hi hat can distort them. I think it's what I said, the drummer not closing the hat all the way and the cymbals ratteling .. it's an ugly sound but drummers seem to like anything that is obnoxous sounding. It draws attention to them. Like snares that go "poink" instead of "thwack". :D Kurt
     
  20. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    What about techno drums? Kicks that go "uup" instead of "dook"
     

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