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holes.......just like little moles (in the spectrum)

Discussion in 'Recording' started by robbyc23, Sep 14, 2003.

  1. robbyc23

    robbyc23 Guest

    Hello folks,

    First off, I'd like to give a warm thanks to all at recording.org for their help over the months....but...

    I've just finished recording an album for a band whom I like very much (which helps).
    They happen to be a band that loves to intro a tune with quiet, low guitar canoodlings AND THEN blast into heavy distortion.
    Now, my problem is that the (spectral?) energy seems to drop a little when this happens and neither boosting guitar or bass seems to solve the problem. Basically, a hole appears to form between the bass and guitar after the transition occurs.

    Does anyone have any advice on solving this problem?
    I have been considering using Waves Maxxbass on the guitars, but no positive results yet...

    Thanks in advance,

    Robby
     
  2. Ethan Winer

    Ethan Winer Active Member

    Robby,

    > a hole appears to form between the bass and guitar after the transition occurs. <

    If you mean there's a hole in the response at low frequencies, this is typical in rooms that have no acoustic treatment. The solution for that is to add bass traps in your control room. If this is not what you mean, please clarify.

    --Ethan
     
  3. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    A picture is worth a thousand words... and an audio clip would be worth ten thousand. :)
     
  4. SmattyG

    SmattyG Guest

    I think I know exactly what I mean... I have been having the same problem... It's like you've got a nice smooth part of the song going. Some bass, some drums, etc... It's kickin, feeling pretty good. The heavy part comes up, and you'd figure that the addition of the distorted electric guitar will just add to the existing energy... but somehow, the song just gets weak right there! It loses that energy that was building up for the big crescendo feel, and just kind of feel limp... SO FRUSTRATING. This is one sound that I still have not totally figured out how to acheive. I've tried doubling guitars, and increasing the bass, but this just seems to make stuff seem muddier....
     
  5. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    Sometimes heavy distortion can really make guitars sound thin at the same power level - cut back on the distortion, or try boosting 200Hz/4kHz on the guitars to beef them up.
     
  6. missilanious

    missilanious Guest

    is the guitar low and low mid heavy cause it could just be masking everything down their when it comes in and turning the instruments that are masked are just going to muddy up the mix and kill the dynamics off the song, if thats the case thin out the distorted electric.
     
  7. robbyc23

    robbyc23 Guest

    Yep,
    From listening, I get the feeling that the guitars are too fuzzy. Resulting in too much harmonics and not enough weight in the low & mid.

    I think the boosts at 200Hz & 4k might help. I know that I nothched the kick at 200, soo that might need some filling.

    Thanks for kickstarting my brain again. I'm back in the studio tomorrow, so I'll let ye know how I get on...

    Robby
     
  8. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, one thing about straight-out distortion is that it can give a really thin, flappy feel because it distributes the energy over broadband (square and triangle waves tend to do that). It starts to sound more like white noise than music - Giving it a kick at specific frequencies will make it sound more like an instrument again.

    Cabinet selection and micing techniques and positioning can also get the same effect as those boosts, so you might want to experiment.
     
  9. larrye

    larrye Active Member

    I think this is a situation where "LESS is more"

    Larrye
     
  10. robbyc23

    robbyc23 Guest

    Yup,

    A gentle roll-off over the upper frequencies and some selective boosting in the lower seems to be doing the trick..

    Thanks again...
     

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