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Hot Rodding a cheap Tube Pre

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Halifaxsoundguy, Apr 12, 2008.

  1. Halifaxsoundguy

    Halifaxsoundguy Active Member

    I have an ART Tube pre. I just tried to fix it with a groove tube but it didn't work are there different types of 12AX7 tubes (not brands)? The designs between both look much different.
  2. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    a 12ax7 tube should work in a position where a 12ax7 came out of
    given the circuit was working before
  3. Halifaxsoundguy

    Halifaxsoundguy Active Member

    I must have gotten a bad tube, but I was able to return it. The one I bought was a 12AX7R but the one that is in it is a 12AX7A. The guy at the music store was convinced that the last letter in the name references the country of production. Is he right?
  4. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    err but not the way I know it

    some brands may use the extra letters for that

    12 volts with heater warm up control and a ceramic base ... 7 elements

    I thought the extra letters were to indicate special features like
    higher gain ... lower noise ... things like that
    or could be just for design revisions

    could be country
    could be manufacturer as in Electro-Harmonix - 12AX7-EH
    12AX7A does seem to come from China

    but it can all get confusing
    from one of the above sites
    " For instance, what is a 12AX7 in the U.S. is an ECC83 in Europe is also a 7025 to Fender owners because for a while Fender sold tubes labelled 7025 that were a low noise 12AX7. These tubes are all the same thing. "

    not something that is easily generalised
    a 12AX7A seems to be made in a few countries by a few manufacturers ... if you can believe what you find on the net
  5. Halifaxsoundguy

    Halifaxsoundguy Active Member

    the one from the tube MP was 12AX7A and it has china stamped on the side. I think they sold me a bad tube.
  6. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    The only good thing I ever got from China was the new monitor pic I posted over here.

    (Sarcasm not included).
  7. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Did you check to see that the pins were free of corrosion and clean? A "bad" out of the box tube often just has some corrosion on it. Take a wire brush and go to town.

    Also, when you removed the tube from the socket, did you have to pull hard? Is it possible you broke one of the legs on the tube socket?

    FWIW, the GT line of tubes has letter designators at the end of their AX and AT series tubes which indicate the manufacturer and/or origin. For example, their GT Gold 12AX7M is a Mullard (M for Mullard) where the 12AX7R or 12AX7S is a Sovtek.

    Most GT tubes are tubes which are from other manufacturers that have been test and then rebranded. They do (IIRC) make some of their own as well, but I'm not sure which ones (again, IIRC, mostly power amp tubes).

    I've personally found that, regardless of country of origin or brand, you can find a good and a bad tube from just about anyone.


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