How can I tune a virtual instrument (vst/vsti)? Would like to tune to A444 hz

Discussion in 'Tracking / Mixing / Editing' started by Space Man, Jan 25, 2015.

  1. Space Man

    Space Man Active Member

    Hello, I am currently using FL Studio (eventually would like to move on to Pro Tools). I am wondering, how can I tune a virtual instrument? I know standard tuning is A440 hz, however I would like to tune to A444. I am stuck on how to go about this.
    Comments much appreciated, thank you.
     
  2. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    Well A440 is A4 or the note above middle C, so, you use a pitch shift. Work out your note you are aiming for and increment. I know someone will explain that better shortly. No idea how pitch shift works in FL, never used it.
     
  3. Space Man

    Space Man Active Member

    Hmmm thanks for the reply but Im not sure this answers my question. I want the A4 to be tuned to the frequency of 444 hertz instead of 440 hertz, this will cause C5 to be of the frequency 528 hertz which is quite a magical frequency supressed by most modern music as this frequency is not included in the tuning A440. 528 hertz is very intriguing and I suggest anybody who enjoys music to search it up.
     
  4. Space Man

    Space Man Active Member

    There has to be a way to tune Virtual Instruments o_O
     
  5. Space Man

    Space Man Active Member

    Hmm so you are saying if you wish to switch the tunings you use a pitch shift feature that applies to individual VSTs? I wonder how I would go about this in Fl..
     
  6. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    I did a google on it, (in reference to tuning as such) certainly nothing common knowledge that springs up. Sorry :(.
     
  7. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    Not sure of how the side panel of each track is in FL, but in Logic Pro X, and others I have used, it's usually a setting in the midi settings.
     
  8. Space Man

    Space Man Active Member

    Yeah man same here, nothing really pops up. thx tho :)
     
  9. Space Man

    Space Man Active Member

    Hmm, and that is for an individual instrument or the entire project? I do believe the project in FL can be changed between A440 and A432, which doesnt solve it and Im unsure how that can effect individual instruments...
     
  10. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    Per track

     
  11. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    http://www.image-line.com/support/FLHelp/html/pianoroll.htm

    FYI if you are not fully familiar, not sure what version, that is showing.
     
  12. Space Man

    Space Man Active Member

    not sure if this contains the answer to tuning frequencies, but I am still reading. Regardless, great page! this can help me out on a couple other things I may be rough in. Thanks!
     
  13. Space Man

    Space Man Active Member

    Unfortunately, this does not include tuning frequencies, if it does I missed it. Will def keep this page bookmarked tho for questions regarding FL piano roll functions
     
  14. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    No, but it does show how to use the PR to change pitch there. The rest I trust is helpful as you say though :).
     
  15. Reverend Lucas

    Reverend Lucas Active Member

    You're looking to shift everything up by the same ratio for every note, right? If I'm understanding right, Makzimia is correct, in that what you're looking for is a pitch shifter. I haven't worked in FL, but you should be able to simply add a pitch shift VST to your effects chain after your VSTi. You just need to find a shifter that works in cents, rather than one that only allows half step intervals. In your example, you'd be shifting up about 16 cents.
     
  16. Kapt.Krunch

    Kapt.Krunch Well-Known Member

    Questions:

    Do you want it shifted as you play from, say, a keyboard controller...to monitor as played?

    Or, do you want it shifted after it was recorded as a MIDI track in a sequence?

    Is it just that one track, or more, that will need shifted?

    What VSTi is it?

    If you have a keyboard controller, and using it, what is it? (As in...is it possible the keyboard can send tuning information to the computer MIDI track, if the software also supports it?)

    Just some thoughts.

    Kapt.Krunch
     
  17. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    Note : Native instruments actually have a tuning knob on each of the instruments, very handy (we discussed that privately last night). As mentioned above, an external keyboard may pass tuning via midi too, if the instrument supports it, yes.
     
  18. paulears

    paulears Well-Known Member

    The point, which the poster didn't make clear is that there is a train of thought that certain particular frequencies resonate in harmony with the universe, and some believe that includes DNA. Personally I truly believe it's a complete pile of dog poo, with absolutely no basis in science, simply opinion - and as such, until proven, I discount it totally.

    The difference between 440 and 444, is a tiny percentage - less than 1%, and I doubt non-musical people can hear it! I can't say about FL - never even heard of it, but all my software can handle pitch shifts of cents - that's 100th of a tone. Guitarists who tune by ear often pick very non-standardised tunings by accident - and never notice until they try to play with a fixed pitch instrument.

    So tune away - but as for it sounding better in a single pitch, it doesn't work for me at all. Bach, of course was the expert at this with his experiments with temperament between the old system and the new version that worked in any key, as contrasted with the old system that only sounded 'right' in it's composed key.

    As for 'magical' frequencies - audiophile hi-fi forums often have people with magic hearing, so maybe ask them. Barnum stuff, sorry!
     
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  19. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    mmm kay .......
     
  20. Space Man

    Space Man Active Member

    Well it has been a while since I have been back into music creation. I am now back at it and plan to never quit again. I have found a work-around to my question. Here is a tool that detects frequency: http://tuneit.free.fr/Site/Home.html it has a standalone version as well as VST version. Just add VST in mixer over an instrument or sample. All virtual instruments should have a pitch nob or a way to edit pitch, turn the nob till you get the desired tuning that will be detected by this frequency detector. I will keep looking for a VST that detects and edits pitch both but this is a work-around for now. Tuning samples and instruments are key to good sound, if frequencies clash there will be underlining disorder. I am a student to music theory and do not know much but will gladly share anything I know and learn. Glad to help anyone who reads this.

    ps- as for the resistance to A444 tuning: A444 is the true musical tunings and that is not BS. Keep an open mind. I won't go into detail of why our society does not typically use A444, if you are curious, search for the answers and feel free to share that info here.
     

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