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How to make drumloops sound fat...

Discussion in 'Drums' started by Polemikk, Feb 24, 2003.

  1. Polemikk

    Polemikk Guest

    He guys

    I'm a rooky speaking of this forum, but I have to admit that it is very informativ, PROPS!!!I've been surching for a forum like this a long time, and now I've found it, and there are huge amounts of questions to be asked to u guys!

    Well, as a Rap Music producer, I always try to keep drumloops fat! When making drums on my SP or Akai MPC, I usually use samples on Funk records. Then, after I made the sequenze, I record the Sequence onto my Harddisk recorder (1 Track)...which means that the drum sequence is now on my Harddiscrecorder. Well, my question is pretty simple: I just want to know if it'd be bettere to record all the drum elements sepparately (hihat, bassdrum, snare) on different tracks or to keep it as a whole...where do I get the best result when it comes to a compressor?

    Thx for helping me, I appreciate...

    Cheers

    Polemikk, Zurich

    PS: Are there other effects who could help to make drums sound fat?
     
  2. millionvalve

    millionvalve Guest

    Marco-

    It depends on how you want to use the drum sounds.

    If you want to use them like a REX file (in Reason or Cubase, for instance) you would keep the file "whole" and bring it into ReCycle (by Propellerheads) and slice the loop into segments.
    This ytechnique will keep the very natural, live feel of the recorded drums. The down side is, is that someone may recognize a loop from a particular recording and you could have a copyright issue.

    The other way is when you grab each drum hit and make it a sample to be be sequenced in a drum program or MIDI track. This can be natural or fake sounding based on MANY factors.

    I usually use a combination of both.

    Compress the drums for that fat sound. Some extreme effects can be had by turning your threshold way down, your ratio way up, fairly quick attack and really long release. Then...experiment--that's where it's all at.

    Good luck.

    .nick
     
  3. Stephen Paul

    Stephen Paul Active Member

    Try speeding 'em up when you record so when you play them back at normal speed they're running a little slower.

    That will make them enormous, and allow the digital system to handle the transients much better since it slows the slope down of the initial rise time.

    You're still limited by the filter bandpass, but it helps a lot.

    It also lets you keep the drums tuned to their optimum tension, while giving you the sound of detuning. Best of both worlds.
     
  4. audiowkstation

    audiowkstation Active Member

    Damn Sp, I was thinking that...as experienced it...very cool, very usable info. I was going to post something simalar, got distracted :D and there you are...


    Hey, Wendy is doing Great with her forum. :tu: ..thanks so much for being there.. :p:
     
  5. SP and Bill : ditto .. use 2" tape and no problem, but for most, those days are gone...
     
  6. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Distinguished Member

    two things to do with drum loops:

    1. Filter off th Top end...lots of loops tend to have too much top/cymbals/ect. especially when you want it to fit in a track and leave room for the vocals. Filters are great....sometimes really filtering almost all of the top off and then compressing the snot out of it will get you a real big bottom.

    2. compress...not to hard. SLOW attack and FAST release.

    ..and...
    usually, it' good to use a coiple of diff loops..one thta's more the verse pattern, the othe the chorus. these can work to gether so that maybe you just add the 2nd to the first for the choruses. Now if you add some diff. kick and snare samples to emphasis 2 &4, ect you start to get a real "phat" track.
     
  7. bitdump

    bitdump Guest

    I also found it helpful to tuck a sine wave at the fundimental frequency of the kick, mix it in to taste. Pretty handy last resort if you can't get it out of the kick, key is getting it to blend it so you feel it and not hear as something seperate from the kick.
     
  8. kiwikat

    kiwikat Guest

    if you want to fatten up the snare a bit, you could layer a different snare sample. possibly with a slight delay like 20ms to give it a slight flam effect. this can also help to make the loop sound different for copyright reasons.
     
  9. millionvalve

    millionvalve Guest

    >>>"2. compress...not to hard. SLOW attack and FAST release."

    That's good for a proper sound. I mention the opposite becasue at high ratios and low threshholds, it messes with the attack in a clippy way, and the slow release lets a lot of garbage and junk (decay, original fx, room noise{!}) in.

    This can be used to great effect for many things from intelligent breaks to dNb to trip hop.

    .nick
     

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