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How to make my vox sound bigger

Discussion in 'Vocals' started by willashland, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. willashland

    willashland Active Member

    I'm working on a song which I'm really excited about, but I can't seem to hammer down the vocals. I know what style I want to sing the song in, a soft, dreamy sort of style. The sound I'm getting is thin and seems too quiet in the mix. If I turn up the volume of the track, it distorts. Should I turn the other tracks down, compromising the big sound feel of the song?

    I'm using an mxl 990 condenser through a presonus power strip preamp. There is minimal eq on the vocals.

    Any suggestions are welcome.

    voxonly.mp3
    (i promise it's no malware of any kind, just my singing. excuse any pitch inconsistency, it was one take with no warmups)
     
  2. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    The body of the song is at about -9.5dB RMS, with peaks at 0dBFS. That's really hot.

    What are you using to mix this? What are your main bus levels during the mix?

    Turning the tracks down shouldn't compromise the "big sound feel of the song". It's just amplitude. Track and mix with peaks somewhere between -18 and -12dBFS (assuming 24 bit digital). When the mix is complete you can put a "mastering" limiter on the main bus to get the average level up to some arbitrary target, at the expense of natural dynamics.
     
  3. K-Ro

    K-Ro Guest

    try to dub them
     
  4. Robin.bjerke

    Robin.bjerke Active Member

  5. planet10

    planet10 Active Member

    im not seeing anything in this sample that you are describing. the vocals arent THIN and they are loud enough for the type of song you have?????.......
    what you need to do is work on the mix more, the guitars are very tinny sounding and the mid of the vocals seem dropped.
    maybe try not using eq first off when mixing, see what the track sound like with nothing first, adjust fader levels that suit you and then add some comp to the vocal to SLIGHTLY even it out and bring more of your "voice" into it. then add some air to the vocal by taking 12-20khz and SLIGHTLY add gain and the same with the low end, go to about 60-90hz and drop the gain to get the "mic" sound out of it, then check your mids at that point to see if the nasal sound is there or not.
    THEN eq the guitar SLIGHTLY. i think the guitar has no bottom to it it doesnt sound like a hollow body guitar to me
    do all this EQing NOT IN SOLO MODE.
    its ok to set your faders down a notch. just turn up the output of your speakers. you want to MAKE SURE YOUR stereo bus isnt peaking at 0db, keep it at around -10 - -6 db so that a mastering guy has something to work with so it can be louder YET still have dynamic range.
    good luck, send me a sample afterwords if you take my advice
    jimmy@p10studios.com
     
  6. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    Hey, prepare a minute of the original single vox and intrument tracks for download and see what the people around here can do with it....
    I'd love to hear all the different styles. What do you think?
     
  7. planet10

    planet10 Active Member

    yeah DAS great idea!!! id love to have a go
    my email is jimmy@p10studios.com and send me thru yousendit.com uneffected vocal and guitar wav files.
    im up for the challenge!!!!!!
    cheers
     
  8. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    May the best man win.:.lol...
    I hope Willashland is with us and is so kind to hand us the tracks...
    Come on, Guys, sign in to the little competition with your posts and show him it is worth the effort.
    It'll be fun!

    Big K
     
  9. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    great idea, now we're getting somewhere!
     
  10. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    I'm down. Send it to me as well, or post a link to a download on this this thread.
     
  11. boxcar

    boxcar Active Member

    i'd have a go at it too.it would be interesting.
     
  12. nunieboy

    nunieboy Guest

    we should have a dedicated place for sharing ideas like this=D i love it
     
  13. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    Lol... a place of mixing & mastering competitions for the extremely bored engineers...
    Why not? Just don't let us have an editing contest. The tracks should be fairly usable.
    I just finished a session of this ever so much loved pushing & pulling, stretching & pitching, cutting & ....yaaaawn...
    Maybe some friends want to dig into their archives for some material of not too many tracks, as well?
    Big K

    Willashland, where are you???
    :)
     
  14. planet10

    planet10 Active Member

    i just loaded 2 new tracks from my client Erica Iozzo "Shotgun" and The Truth Could Save Us" on my website planet10studios - Audio
    take a listen, mastered by Danny Leake, (Stevie Wonder, Kurt Elling, Ramsey Louis, Malik Yusef among others)
     

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