how to set my EFX - AC/DC Jam concert

Discussion in 'Location Recording' started by TheDane, Jan 29, 2008.

  1. TheDane

    TheDane Guest

    Hey, I’m new in this forum.

    I’m from Denmark (Its a little country in Europe).

    I’m gone to do an AC/DC Jam concert, as engineer.

    I need help to - how to set my EFX.

    I have a 24TT Mackie and all the powerAmp I need. I got 4 independent aux on the stage.

    I’m most affrayed of the drums and vocal.

    I need help to set the EFX:

    What too with the kick drum?
    What too with the snare drum?
    What too with guitar?
    What too with bas?
    What too with vocal?
    ??????????????

    Is there any body out there!!!!!!!!!


    I’m sorry about my English(even that I’ve got a spelling computer).




    The Dane.
     
  2. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    It would be difficut if not impossible to answer any of those questions without knowing:

    1)what are you there to do? Live sound or are you recording this?

    2)what does the room look/sound like?

    3)what gear are the musicians using?

    4)what gear are you using?

    5)is the room going to be full of people or empty?

    Really you have to figure this one out on your own. When you get there, try to get the best sound you can from the mic and forget about effects. That's what stomp boxes are for. As far as the drums are concerned, you may not even need more than a couple of mics if at all depending on what you plan on doing. For that matter if it's just a live jam, you may not need to mic the amps at all. Again, it really depends on what you plan on doing.

    And, let's face it. We're talking AC/DC here. Effects for Angus Young's guitar are basically: Gibson SG into Marshall stack.
     
  3. TheDane

    TheDane Guest

    Answer too hueseph

    Answer too hueseph

    1. I’m going to do live sound.

    2. It is a room for about 100.
    Pictures of the place http://www.banehuset.dk/Billedgalleri/PrettyMaids07/?page=1&num=999&sid=
    It is not the band
    The band is http://www.backtoblack.dk/start.html

    3. Guitar:
    Amp: Line6 Vetta II HD Marshall Vintage Modern
    Cap: Line6 2x 4/12" Marshall 2x 4/12"

    Guitar:
    Amp: Marshall vintage/modern 2466 head
    Cap: 4* marshall 4*12” Greenback cabs

    Bas:
    Amp: Ashdown ABM 500 EVO II, Lab-L2
    Cab: Ashdown ABM 8x10" 1200W, Costom Sound 2x15"

    Drums:
    Sonor Force 3000. Zildijan, Sabian, Paiste cymbals.
    Effect Modul: Roland SPDS


    4.
    Mixer: 24TT Mackie. http://www.mackie.com/products/tt24/index.html
    Cap: The only thing I now about them is that it is DB. Top is flying and bottom is under the stage.
    Amp: I don’t know. But I know that, I were there too make livesound for a rockabilly band, 2 months ago. There are enough. I think about 2 x 2000 W.
    Monitor: 4 x DB

    I’ve got 57´s, 58´s, a kick drum mic. and 2 overhead mic., 6 DI´s.

    5. The room will hopefully be full.


    I will put 57´s on the guitars and a DI on the bas, and then let the guitars and the bas go straight thru the mixer with a little compression. 57´s, a kick drum mic. and 2 overhead mic. on the drums, and then a normal mix on the drum with gate and compression. 58´s on the vocals.

    The help I’m seeking is tips and tricks on how to set delay, reverb, chorus, and flange, to make the drums, vocal and backing vocals sound like AC/DC. And maybe tips and tricks on EQ on the lead vocal.

    I know that you think that it is a whole lot of equipment for such a little room, but they like it load.
    I hope this answer the questions.

    The Dane.
     
  4. TheDane

    TheDane Guest

    Answer too hueseph

    Answer too hueseph

    1. I’m going to do live sound.

    2. It is a room for about 100.
    Pictures of the place http://www.banehuset.dk/Billedgalleri/PrettyMaids07/?page=1&num=999&sid=
    It is not the band
    The band is http://www.backtoblack.dk/start.html

    3. Guitar:
    Amp: Line6 Vetta II HD Marshall Vintage Modern
    Cap: Line6 2x 4/12" Marshall 2x 4/12"

    Guitar:
    Amp: Marshall vintage/modern 2466 head
    Cap: 4* marshall 4*12” Greenback cabs

    Bas:
    Amp: Ashdown ABM 500 EVO II, Lab-L2
    Cab: Ashdown ABM 8x10" 1200W, Costom Sound 2x15"

    Drums:
    Sonor Force 3000. Zildijan, Sabian, Paiste cymbals.
    Effect Modul: Roland SPDS


    4.
    Mixer: 24TT Mackie. http://www.mackie.com/products/tt24/index.html
    Cap: The only thing I now about them is that it is DB. Top is flying and bottom is under the stage.
    Amp: I don’t know. But I know that, I were there too make livesound for a rockabilly band, 2 months ago. There are enough. I think about 2 x 2000 W.
    Monitor: 4 x DB

    I’ve got 57´s, 58´s, a kick drum mic. and 2 overhead mic., 6 DI´s.

    5. The room will hopefully be full.


    I will put 57´s on the guitars and a DI on the bas, and then let the guitars and the bas go straight thru the mixer with a little compression. 57´s, a kick drum mic. and 2 overhead mic. on the drums, and then a normal mix on the drum with gate and compression. 58´s on the vocals.

    The help I’m seeking is tips and tricks on how to set delay, reverb, chorus, and flange, to make the drums, vocal and backing vocals sound like AC/DC. And maybe tips and tricks on EQ on the lead vocal.

    I know that you think that it is a whole lot of equipment for such a little room, but they like it load.
    I hope this answer the questions.

    The Dane.
     
  5. TheDane

    TheDane Guest

    Answer too hueseph

    Answer too hueseph

    1. I’m going to do live sound.

    2. It is a room for about 100.
    Pictures of the place http://www.banehuset.dk/Billedgalleri/PrettyMaids07/?page=1&num=999&sid=
    It is not the band
    The band is http://www.backtoblack.dk/start.html

    3. Guitar:
    Amp: Line6 Vetta II HD Marshall Vintage Modern
    Cap: Line6 2x 4/12" Marshall 2x 4/12"

    Guitar:
    Amp: Marshall vintage/modern 2466 head
    Cap: 4* marshall 4*12” Greenback cabs

    Bas:
    Amp: Ashdown ABM 500 EVO II, Lab-L2
    Cab: Ashdown ABM 8x10" 1200W, Costom Sound 2x15"

    Drums:
    Sonor Force 3000. Zildijan, Sabian, Paiste cymbals.
    Effect Modul: Roland SPDS


    4.
    Mixer: 24TT Mackie. http://www.mackie.com/products/tt24/index.html
    Cap: The only thing I now about them is that it is DB. Top is flying and bottom is under the stage.
    Amp: I don’t know. But I know that, I were there too make livesound for a rockabilly band, 2 months ago. There are enough. I think about 2 x 2000 W.
    Monitor: 4 x DB

    I’ve got 57´s, 58´s, a kick drum mic. and 2 overhead mic., 6 DI´s.

    5. The room will hopefully be full.


    I will put 57´s on the guitars and a DI on the bas, and then let the guitars and the bas go straight thru the mixer with a little compression. 57´s, a kick drum mic. and 2 overhead mic. on the drums, and then a normal mix on the drum with gate and compression. 58´s on the vocals.

    The help I’m seeking is tips and tricks on how to set delay, reverb, chorus, and flange, to make the drums, vocal and backing vocals sound like AC/DC. And maybe tips and tricks on EQ on the lead vocal.

    I know that you think that it is a whole lot of equipment for such a little room, but they like it load.
    I hope this answer the questions.

    The Dane.
     
  6. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Hi, Dane, welcome to RO. BTW, PLEASE review your message after you post it so that in case it double- (or in your case, triple-)posts, you can delete the redundant posts. Thanks. Now...
    I used to produce laser light shows ("Cosmic Concerts") years ago, MANY times using the music of AC/DC. I had to play that music over and over to sync the time code up to the pre-programmed special effects and laser projection tables. I still hear "Highway To Hell" in my sleep!
    For starters, they were a pretty straight-ahead rock'n'roll band. Pretty raw for a Mutt Lange production. I would stay away from adding a lot of modulation-based effects (chorusing, flanging, phasing, etc.) on the live mics (vocals and drums), even if they are on the recorded versions.These types of effects can create more problems due to comb filtering and resonances in a live situation.
    As for the guitars, guitarists usually have their own sense of special effects and where they want to add them to get their "tone". I wouldn't muck with that. You're main job is to present the performance as it is played, in a given context. When you start to add time-based modulation effects to a guitar, bass, or keys, you can start to wreak havoc with their perceived pitch, making them sound even worse.
    Ditto with the Roland SPD. I have an original 6-pad version (we affectionately refer to it as "The Spud"). It has its' own effects built into it. AC/DC did use a bit of flanging on the drums at special moments, how is the drummer using his/her SPD?
    Now, for the vocals...DELAY, baby! I haven't used the TT, but reviewing the rear panel, I saw no remote control/footswitch jack to access a "Tempo Tap" function in that manner. Maybe you can from the control panel when you call up the FX menu? In any case, delay synched to the tempo of the song is used a lot on AC/DC productions, both on vocals and guitar solos. I would ask the guitarists if they have this programmed into their Vetta or whatever pedals the guy with the Marshall is using. You don't want to "step on their tone" by adding more delay than is required. If they aren't using an echo/delay, fine, just be able to add a touch that's in time with the beat of the song, but only on the solos.
    While Brian Johnson's vocals are pretty much "in your face" and fairly "raw", I would add a bit of very tight time delay to give it an ADT (automatic double-tracking) type of thickness. This would be in the area of 60-80 milliseconds. Background vocals can benefit from a bit of ADT, too, as well as a fairly short "plate" reverb.
    So talk to the band and see what they are adding to their sound via the amps/effects they have and then proceed.
     
  7. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Looks like Moon has it covered. The only thing I would add that you asked for is regarding EQ. If you can, avoid it. Trying to change the tone of vox in a live situation isn't the best idea. Only use the EQ if you have to, otherwise you could end up causing some feedback problems.
     

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