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How to setup 2 pairs of Studio Monitor + a Mixer?

Discussion in 'Recording' started by ray1018, May 25, 2008.

  1. ray1018

    ray1018 Active Member

    I heard that somebody talk about posiblity of setup 2 pairs of Studio Monitor thru a Mixer (Control Room output and Master Output).

    May i know do posible to setup 2 pairs of Studio Monitor with the below cheap Mixer?If yes, How do it control and switch each other when audition on Mixing stage?

    http://www.behringer.com/MX602A/index.cfm?lang=ENG

    Thanks!!
     
  2. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    yes - Control Room Out to nearfields.

    Main L/R out to main (large) speakers.

    Your last question is kinda irrelevent...

    But here's a short answer:

    The Control Room outputs usually follow the main faders unless you hit a solo button on a channel, an aux, VCA, whatever... then they follow that soloed section.

    The main L/R outs are (if you don't have a Solo Mode button) usually tied to and dependent on the channel strips...

    (A Solo Mode button allows the AFL/PFL (solo) buttons to go to the mains - this is bad news if you're running a big show at FOH and don't pay attention...)

    The Solo Mode on a PM4K is referred to as a Cue/Solo Mode Switch, in case you were wondering...
     
  3. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    I could be wrong but I remember some other consoles calling it either a Solo C/O or Cue C/O switch...?

    Anyone?
     
  4. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    it's all about the solo feature
    and depends on how the desk works
    but
    I probably wouldn't use the master outputs
    ...
    since I don't use a Master Two Track anymore even though the DAT machine still lives there and I can use the meters
    so I guess I would use the Master Output for meters and distribution to other rooms etc
    perhaps even a possible cue send ... HP for the producer
    this can also depend on how the Talkback is set up

    if the desk doesn't have speaker switching / output switching then a simple crash switcher can throw the output to various monitoring systems

    this can get tricky if you are sharing amplifiers with passive speakers and also using powered speaks

    The advantage of each speaker system having an input sector is that you can monitor many of the outputs of the desk ... including the cue send

    I use the same basic idea to feed each of the monitoring systems
    Main and secondary monitoring
    Each of the Headphone systems ... including the control room headphone system

    use a shorted input of the switcher to create a mute position
    to switch A/B requires you to mute one system as you turn on the second
    ...
    this gets hard if you have three systems in the control room

    there are many ways to set things up
     
  5. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    Original Poster... Head swimmin' yet?

    :wink:
     
  6. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    yeah
    sorry

    I got to thinking about this since I posted it

    Master Outputs
    I guess you have to decide if you want to just listen to this
    OR
    to use it as a mix point to feed the main AtoD
    either back into the main DAW on two seperate inputs
    or to a seperate Master DAW

    :(

    sorry
    I'm doing it again

    :roll:


    it's 4ft and off shore
    I'm heading out for a surf
    8)
     
  7. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    Tear it up!
     
  8. ray1018

    ray1018 Active Member

    Hi there,

    Thanks for the useful reply..
    i just try to use Control Room output to a Monitor and the Output to an other Monitor, But situation as below:

    1)when i turn on Control Room volume the Main Mix Volume can't be Off...means at the same time Both Monitors are On.

    2)When i try to turn off the Main Mix Volume...However i push up the volume of Control Room...there are no sound out from there!

    :(
     
  9. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    That's probably the way that particular mixer is designed.

    I'd say if you want the ability to choose which set of monitors you want to hear independently you'll need to either get a switcher or a different mixer designed the way you need it to be.
     
  10. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    Can't you turn down the volume knob on the monitors you don't want on?
     
  11. AwedOne

    AwedOne Guest

    Codemonkey wrote:

    Careful there. That sounds like LOGIC AND REASONING, and we'll have none of that here! :?

    Kev,

    Some of us do better with drawings. How about one?
     
  12. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    Probably can, but you're talking a major hassle if they are out of reach behind a desk or hanging on the wall... Like mine...

    This is why I suggest a switcher or (preferrably) a new mixer.

    Along those same lines I'd suggest a patchbay if someone has a need to change their setup every session... Like me...
     
  13. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    err yeah
    there is a lot of things I should do
    one of these days when I find my inspiration I'll get back to building and updating the DIY Factory

    in the mean time a look at an old incomplete page
    http://www.diyfactory.com/projects/dawmonswitch/dawmonswitch_1.htm
    http://www.diyfactory.com/projects/dawmonswitch/dawmonswitch_2.htm
    http://www.diyfactory.com/projects/dawmonswitch/dawmonswitch_3.htm

    find the Presonus ... MonitorStationWebHook.pdf ... and there is a drawing near the end

    CraneSong may have a drawing for thier controller

    I'll think about uploading a drawing


    edit
    found this at the Factory
    don't remember who or how this came about but it was a passive solution to a specific problem
    http://www.diyfactory.com/data/passive_monitor_01.pdf

    when working passive the output impedance and drive capability will be a big factor
    each situation needs to be analysed in context
     

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