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Discussion in 'Recording' started by norm, May 6, 2004.

  1. norm

    norm Guest

    What would you guys suggest to purchase for a home studio. I am planning to get one going and have read alot on them.

    I would like to do electronic music like IDM and D'n'B and Electronic Pop style for my side line...but my main idae is post production for movie.

    but I haven't experienc about studio before. I'm such a beginer. I usually play music with my friends for fun but now I think it's time to do something seriously. I have amount of budget but I don't know how to investment for studio. what should I do first?

    well, I think I need to get a Mixer or controller and Speaker first, isn't it?

    now I already have MAC & PC computer, 2 synth(microKorg-MS20), 2 guitar(Fender acoustic&Electric), 1 little effect(Adrenalinn II), and machinedrum.


    well, I know Pro Tools HD is necessary for post-studio(music&film) but the price is too high...I just want to start from a smallest set as Pro Tools LE. What do you think about these equipment?

    I thinking about 002-buser and Genelec1029 for my first equiments to put in my studio. What do you think? Do I need to change my list or something?

    Do I need to buy everything but low quality or buy something that very importance first. I have budget around 12,000 CD. Please give me more suggestion. What I is the plan that I supose to do?
    What is the equipment that very necessary for this moment (for home/project studio)?
     
  2. CREATIVEBLUE

    CREATIVEBLUE Guest

    Use fast computer, like Macintosh, G4 2x1,25 Ghz minimum. Get two flatscreen monitors to impress your costomers. Than use a protools LE system if the tdm is to expensive. Get some good speakers like from A.D.A.M. Audio.
    For postpro you will need good microphone, a good preamp right?
    use U87 or brauner mics with neve preamp (from e bay)
    Get an RME or (Apogee!!) Interface AD/DA aswell, connect it to your digi02 or similar le-system. Get a small console. Everything else what you need for the television and stuff i'm not expert of! you will need a synchronizer for example also.
     
  3. norm

    norm Guest

    thank you very much for your suggestion. :D

    I still have one more question about Pro Tools system. It kind like buying stuff question. I hope you don't mind to give me a suggestion again.

    my problem is I can't make a decision between 002-buser and 002r+command8.

    actually I like 002-buser because it can be stand alone mixer and it have lot of control function which command8 doesn't have.right?

    or you think i beter go with another control like...Mackie Control or digital mixer like Yamaha o1v96

    which set you think it might be good for me in this time. If you were me which one you gonna choose? why?

    (I using Mac G5 1.8, I have 2 synth(MS20, microKorg) 1 machinedrum, 1 acoustic guitar and 1 electric guitar)


    about Speaker...I would like to get ADAM P11 very much but the price in Vancouver is very high. it's 3,058 CD (I live in Canada) Do you know where I can get the lower price? any music store online which ship to Canada?
     
  4. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Before you start purchasing and setting up equipment, the first thing you should do is get your room treatments in order. Bass traps in the corners, absorption on the ceiling, front and side walls, and diffusion on the rear wall all are in order in any room.

    After you finish with room treatments, the next thing is to decide on a monitoring system. Don't attmpt to cheap out here. Get the best you possibly can. If the room you are using has small demensions, don't choose monitors with huge woofers ( larger that 8")... Rule of thumb is 2500 cubic feet (height, by width, by length) is the smallest room that is useable. If your room is any smaller than that you can minimize low end problems, if you don't create those frequencies in the first place, by choosing smaller monitors that roll off below 50 Hz.

    Once you have the room and you monitor set up then you can start thinking about how you will equip your studio.. Start with mics and preamps. Transducers are the most important elements in your audio chain. Don't cheap out here.

    Converters can be cheaped out on if you wish but good ones can make a big difference if you are feeding them with a quality signal in the first place. Great converters with cheap mics and pres is putting the cart in front of the horse IMO. Garbage in, garbage out, no matter how great your conversion is ...

    I personally think Pro Tools and Macintosh computers are over priced . There is other recording software that is PT compatible (Cubase SX or Nuendo to name a couple) and screaming PCs are less than half of what a fast Mac goes for. These are all choices that in the end will be transparent to the listeners of your productions. Learn as much as you can about this stuff before you commit. You may be able to save yourself a bundle of cash ...

    Kurt Foster
     
  5. Ellegaard

    Ellegaard Active Member

    Room treatment is a good start, and it doesn't have to be that expensive actually.

    Having treated your room, the next step is probably getting a pair of decent studio monitors - and which ones can be discussed for ages. The Genelecs have become studio standard these days, and although they're quite aggressive in my opinion they're detailed and sound nice. If you get the chance, listen to a bunch of monitors with some music you know well - and preferrably also with some classical music, a collection of human voices, etc, to get an idea about how linear the monitors ACTUALLY are. A.D.A.M. monitors are good, and so are Dynaudio.

    As for choosing a system in a budget home studio, I'd stay away from Mac and expensive ProTools solutions. Having a Mac and a ProTools HD is not necessary for post-studio or anything else - if you've got the budget, I would choose something like Steinberg Nuendo 2 (which is the Rolls Royce version of Cubase SX2) and a PC, that will be more than enough. Once Mac might have been better for music production, but these days PCs are way cheaper and deliver just as good results as the rival operating system.

    And actually a mixer isn't necessary in these digital days - depending on how many inputs and outputs you need to use simultaneously, getting good preamps may be a better purchase.

    The interface is also an important part of your studio, and RME are known to make great reliable products. If you need plenty of inputs and outputs, try out something with ADAT.

    Good luck!
     
  6. norm

    norm Guest

    thank you very much for you guys suggestion. :D

    COMPUTER -
    about macintosh computer. I agree with your suggestion. but I think I couldn't change it to PC. because I already have it. now I'm using G5 runing OS X. I use these system for my Graphic and editing movie as well now I planing to do about sound for film.

    MIXER+CONTROLLER -
    I just seen o1v96. it look very nice. do you think it necessary for me now? I afried it too much I/O for me. I also like 002-buser as well. what do you think about it?
    I also like 002rack but It dosen't have control surface and I can't use it like a stand alone mixer, right?

    MONITOR -
    I think I might choose KRK v8. because the price and quality is very reasonable for me. ADAM, Genelec, and Mackie is very expensive in here (Vancouver).

    could you please suggest me again about my list. If you have another idea please suggest me more.

    thank you very very much
     
  7. Ellegaard

    Ellegaard Active Member

    Well, if you have a G5, switching to PC wouldn't make sense.

    Some people say the 002 mixer is a little cheesy. Compared to the rack, it's much more expensive, and I'm not sure if I would pay that much more just to get a few faders and knobs and control buttons (if it doesn't have any additional useful features). A dedicated control surface would be nice and looks great, but actually most tasks can be handled with an ordinary computer keyboard.

    Remember that the mixing process will take place with a software mixer in the digital domain, and not with real faders on your desktop. Unless you're really sure that you're going to actually need a mixer for something specific, I would still consider buying quality preamps. For instance, I have my mixer's alt 3/4 bus connected to the inputs on my soundcard, and having all my instruments and microphones connected to the mixer I can choose which to record by pushing a button. It's very handy and it saves me from plugging things in and out, but that's all. It has no mixing purpose for now.

    I don't know the KRK v8 monitors, but be sure to listen to them first, that's the most important thing.
     
  8. sdelsolray

    sdelsolray Active Member

    I agree with room treatment.

    Don't scrimp on the monitoring chain, but you dont' have to spend $30,000 for it. Consider a pair of Dynaudio BM6 (passives, about $825 US) with a Hafler P3000 amp (used about $300 US). Perhaps the best bang for the buck in studio monitoring.

    As to the Mac vs. PC issue, cost is not the only consideration, just as cost is not the only consideration with everything else. You have OS X, which is state of the art in operating systems. You won't be spending hundreds of hours learning how to use (and tweak, and fix, and make compatible) your computer or its software. Nor will you have to deal with the upcoming major shift from the tired Windows OS to Longhorn, and all the issues that will no doubt arise from yet another Microsoft move to copy what Apple has already done. You have a G5, so the point is moot. You already have the best computer hardware and operating system.

    The ProTools 002R is a whole package. You can do better with separate components, such as an RME or Lynx card and one of many software products. What you are getting, though, with the ProTools product, is a fully functional and compatible system, with a fairly low learning curve. If you're really serious about sound quality of your own recordings, you'll want to get outboard pres and converters, but that can't wait. The pres and converters in the 002 are decent and very servicable.
     
  9. norm

    norm Guest

    I have one more question about 002. I really like stand alone mode of 002 but the price is so different with 002r. Do you think it's necessaries to use it like stand alone mixer? I want to use it with my band as well. Do I need to get mixer or control surface for now? or I should get only 002r (or 002-buser)?

    another question : microphone? Which one I suppose to get for now. I want to use it for record Dialog & Ambiente as well. Dynamic? short gun?
     
  10. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Distinguished Member

    I'd get the Digi001 rack and MSP5's. Withnthe money I saved I'd do some room treatment and get a Universal Audio 6176 so that I had a phat mic pre and comp/limiter. But that's just me. Unless I'm on a real console I don't worry about faders, the MSP5's are more than fine (if you can't make it sound good on them...practice until you can). Converters in the Digi aren't bad, and a great pre will be more important to the sound. A great comp/lim as well.
    Then, get some good mics. KSM44, Royer121, some sm57's, etc.
     
  11. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    with the motu 828 mkii you can have up to 20 inputs for about 700+ bucs -2 built in pres, 8 more analog inputs (you'll need pres) 2 via spdif and 8 more via adat...
     
  12. norm

    norm Guest

    I would like to use MOTU as well but I want to use LE because my school they use Pro Tools sestem...it easy for me to transfer my file from school to my house.

    I think I might get 002rack with Mackie analog mixer for now. What do you think?
     
  13. sdelsolray

    sdelsolray Active Member

    The 002 RAck is a fairly good choice, quite a bit there to learn and grow with. As to the mixer, check out a Soundcraft (M Series) or an Allen & Heath before you commit to the Mackie.
     
  14. norm

    norm Guest

    thank you very much :D , Soundcraft (M Series) look very nice. I'm not sure I can find it here or not. (I live in Vancouver)

    you know? I really want to use 002 mixer I like design of these controller. it's very compact, everything I need is all in one (I think I don't need much I/O. I just want something very compact I don't want to get audio interface + MIDI interface + mixer + controller. I want minimal set but very useful for me now) but I couldn't choose it because 002 dosen't control any DAW but LE. I'm so wondering why digidesign don't want to get more customer. :x do you think they gonna update these thing some point? or they gonna have 003 or 004 someday? :roll:
     
  15. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    You can bet your life that there will be upgrades or product revisions with the Digi 002 ... this is how Digidesign doesa things. Just about the time everyone gets used to the 002, the will come out with a new version that will render the current product obsolete.
     
  16. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    Digi now has a new mixer/controller, the Command-8 which works with LE and TDM. Seems it would match up nice with a 002R.
     
  17. norm

    norm Guest

    yes, I like it as well but it doesn't have I/O for audio and it couldn't be stand alone mixer. actually it's just a midi controller, right?
    don't you Mackie control is better?
     
  18. Bhennies

    Bhennies Guest

    Hi Norm, well...I'm sure you have enough ideas to keep your head spinning, but thought I'd chime in.

    First of all, the Digi 002 rack is a nice piece of equipment. I have one, and like it a lot. However, I am a little upset that I was forced into upgrading from the 001, but that's a different story. Personally, I have gone so long without a control surface, that I don't feel as if I need one at this point. You can always buy a command 8 down the road if you really feel it's necessary.

    KRK v8's: I also have these and love them. They are very nice monitors and come with a switchable bass rolloff for small rooms (Cedar Flat Flats referred to this). Good monitors for the money, and more accurate than the Mackies in my opinion. However (and I will probably catch flak for this), I think you should try and nab some Yamaha ns10m's off ebay. They are not the best sounding monitors, but if you can get your stuff to sound good on them, your mix will sound good on just about anything. You should be able to get a pair plus a poweramp to drive them for about 7-800 USD (I don't know Canadian conversion rate). That's about 2 hundred cheaper than a set of v8's.

    I agree with others about taming your room. Personally, I built ethan winers bass-traps and acoustic absorbers and they work wonderfully. Check the forums to see about those.

    Also, a good front end- get a couple good mics for sure. I personally have a BLUE berry (which is excellent), a few sm57's, a shure beta-52, and I've got two studio projects c3's on the way (stereo set).

    As for the mic pre question- type into the search function on this site- plenty of forums dealing with that question. I personally have a universal audio 2108 pre which I love as well.

    Remember, this is all EXTREMELY SUBJECTIVE ADVICE! Do your own research and come to your own conclusions. Good luck!
     
  19. jonnyk

    jonnyk Guest

    i would definitly suggest the 002 as i use it!! you could diffintly save some cash buying the 002rack though...just to keep in mind too is that the 001 works with procontrol!! which if your just looking for a huge console then that might not be a bad choice, but then you have to sacrafice the 96khz for the 48khz.

    but i this is my setup and i LOVE it !!!!

    - digi002
    -makie 824s, Berhinger truths
    - get some really good pre-amps
    - contour designs shuttle pro (awesome for editing and doing video post)
    - get a really good voice over mic!!
    - get a good video card that supports dual screens and video captureing ( then you can import the work print into protools and sync)

    And your totally good to go bro, basic setup that you can add stuff as you go but the 002 is definintly a good start good luck

    peace
     
  20. norm

    norm Guest

    Hi, I have a question again...:oops:
    What do you think about o1v96? is it match with 002r? Can I use automation with PT? is ti too much for now? please give me your oppinion.
     

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