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I need a mixer

Discussion in 'Recording' started by arthurvs, Sep 21, 2008.

  1. arthurvs

    arthurvs Guest

    Hey

    I am a bit new to recording and ive been busy building a home studio since the last 3 months lets say..

    this is what ive got

    Pentium4 Dual Core 1.22, 4 GB RAM, 750 GB harddrive
    +external harddrive 1 TB
    Audiotrak Inca88 Soundcard. (seems like a decent card)
    BlueBird Mic
    Art Pro Channel mic preamp / compressor combi.
    Cubase Studio 4
    Reason 3

    Thinking of buying lexicon mx400 effects and some midi stuff but thats not priority right now.

    What is a good mixer to start with? I was thinking that some of the Soundcraft mixers are pretty nice, but what are your peoples opinion? any good mixer around here?
     
  2. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    The question is *why* do you need a mixer?

    What you'll probably need is a good computer interface. No offense, but soundcards don't cut it. You'll need something that's at least decent - perhaps the TC Konnekt or any number of PreSonus boxes. This would be a far better use of money than a Mixer.

    Just a thought.

    J.
     
  3. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    Cucco has a brain and I have had a mind (due to brain surgery). He is right. You don't need a mixer if you're recording into your computer. What he recommends is all you need for quality recording. But a mixer with an integrated FireWire interface would be your next logical options in lieu of any other computer interface. I've never heard of your sound card and no, computer sound cards by unknown manufacturers are all the same Taiwanese sound cards. However, your marginal sound card could also be used for inconsequential convenient playbacks when the mixer happens to not be plugged in. Quality of any audio equipment that is under $500per item, has very little differences from anything else in a similar price range. In that respect, you purchase the features you believe you need in the color, you like it. I like blue the best so API & Neve works best for me.

    I only use blue colored equipment
    Ms. Remy Ann David
     
  4. arthurvs

    arthurvs Guest

    Thanks in advance,

    I have been reading a few reviews of my soundcard, and 9 out of 10 are all negative, and i will have issues when i buy more gear of these days. (connecting the stuff) i believe the card is more then 7 years old, they dont release any more drivers, its not in production for a while now.

    Im having my eye on a EMU 1212M. Anyone been there?

    I will have to think about buying an interface or mixer, i want to try some stuff out. any information is welcome!

    thanks again,

    Arthur
     
  5. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    Ah ah ah ah ... hold it!

    Interface => A way to get an audio signal from the real world onto your PC.

    Mixer => A way of adding many audio signals together. Unless your mixer has an integrated interface, you'll still be stuck with your soundcard to get stuff onto the computer.
     
  6. mwacoustic

    mwacoustic Guest

    As has been stated, you *need* an interface. (Your soundcard won't cut it, and a new sound card will only work for the most basic of applications.)

    You haven't yet stated why you need a *mixer*. What are your aspirations, recording-wise?
     
  7. arthurvs

    arthurvs Guest

    I thought i would need a mixer, so i can record both guitar / vocals and bass. I dont not know really much about how to connect the stuff. But after reading some forums here and there, a interface would work just perfect. I do need another soundcard because my curret card has only jack inputs. some of them are screwed too.

    imagen, IF i would have these things, so a good interface, soundcard, my preamp etc. The next thing i would buy is probably an compressor/effect processor.., you know. How do we connect these things? i assume these devices can be connected directly into youre soundcard so it will appear as a plugin? (if available)

    EDIT: Not to forget, i dont have any firewire ports for a good audio interface. Do i have to buy a specific type of firewire card? i use windows.
     
  8. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Firewire card should be Texas Instruments chipset.

    If you plan on using outboard effects, you will need an interface with a reasonable number of outputs.

    If you plan on using a compressor inline with your vox, you will either need a seperate preamp or an interface with an insert section.

    At this stage of the game though I would suggest sticking to software plugins for now. If you have to ask, you probably won't be able to tell the difference anyway. There are some great software compressors out there.

    As far as essential plugins are concerned I would say get Fish Fillets. The guy who developed these is involved with commercial products such as Magix/Samplitude's Variverb which sounds awesome IMHO. The Fish Fillets has a great sounding compressor a gate and desser. These will get you buy for a while. Also on his page are Endorphine(dual band compressor) and THD(saturation emulator) both great plugins but you need to play with them to get to know how to apply them without trashing your sound.

    Never the less you can save money in the future by buying an interface that you can grow into. The Presonus FP10 and Firestudio are decent for the money and expandable via daisy-chaining. ( I don't buy into the Firestudio "tube" thing.)
     
  9. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Sorry. Here's the link to digitalfishphones' fish fillets.

    (Dead Link Removed)

    The other plugins mentioned on the left under audio plugins.
     
  10. mwacoustic

    mwacoustic Guest

    Hang on, I think you are missing an important point:

    If you get an interface, you don't need a soundcard. In other words, the interface does all the stuff that the soundcard would do in terms of transferring electrical signals into 1's and 0's and vice-versa. And it does those things much better than any soundcard.

    An interface like this one would probably be great for you. Check out the manual pdf file, skip ahead to the diagram on page 19 - that should give you a pretty good idea of how the "stuff" gets connected.

    The next thing you buy should *not* be a compressor or processor. For one thing, you probably will want to buy monitors (speakers) first. But also, the software that usually comes bundled with interfaces these days (Cubase LE in the above example) probably has some software plug-ins included. I'd bet there is a compressor (probably called "dynamics" or something) included. Finally, you shouldn't worry about processing until you have a good handle on the basics. And no offense, but you are clearly just getting started here. A compressor is a really easy way to screw up an otherwise good sound, not a way to make a bad sound into a good one.
     
  11. mwacoustic

    mwacoustic Guest

    note: I was replying to arthurvs, while hueseph responded. His post is spot-on.
     
  12. arthurvs

    arthurvs Guest

    Ive looked into that interface last week, and it would be the perfect solution indeed. Its not too expensive too, i think i made a choice.
    I will also not keep myself busy with effect processors, for now. Saves alot of money too heh.

    Another thing is,
    I am not realy a fan of Line6, but a Line6 Toneport UX2 seems like a cool interface. ive tested it last night, and for my goals it would fit just fine to record guitar. I use my own distortion, and the rest is up to the interface.
    It costs only 188 Euro here, for the price it seems a fine piece of equipment.
     
  13. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    I don't particularly like Line6 amps but I think their rack mount units are pretty decent. I had a toneport for a very short period of time but gearbox does have some great tones. Great for a starter box. (188 Euro? Yikes! That's like $350 USD.)
     
  14. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Nahh...the USD is stronger than they're letting on...It's only like $275 right now...
     
  15. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    There is an election coming up...

    Oh, god, dont force me to move to Costa Rica...
     
  16. Greener

    Greener Guest

    I had a job making pizza in Ireland for 6 Euro an hour.

    Fun times.
     
  17. arthurvs

    arthurvs Guest

    something like this?

    http://cgi.ebay.nl/Texas-Instruments-Firewire-800-1394b-PCI-Controller_W0QQitemZ260291176210QQihZ016QQcategoryZ47724QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
     
  18. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Looks good. And it's new so that's great. The price is pretty decent too.
     
  19. arthurvs

    arthurvs Guest

    Right on, next week i have my presonus and firewire card.
    thanks for all the heads up, it helps me out alot.

    cant wait!
     
  20. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    That's not too bad...
    In college I delivered pizza for an equivalent of about 1.65 Euro an hour plus tips. Oh...and free pizza (heaven for a college kid).
     

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