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Discussion in 'Recording' started by wavline1820m, Jul 22, 2005.

  1. wavline1820m

    wavline1820m Guest

    Hello, everyone. I am going insane, and need some help. here are my specs

    p4 3.2 800 mgh FSB Jetway board 2X 1 gig ddram 400 speed
    160 IDE maxtor HD(audio) 80 Gig HD(programs)
    Win xp
    Nuendo 3.0.625
    E-Mu, 1820m

    Now, i have started fresh about 3 times. I have made, almost every tweak possible, expect for the buffer settings, which tonight i have messed with.

    My problem, is this. I am getting clicks in my audio trax. They are digital clicks the ones that are straight up and down on the sides. Which i am pretty sure that, are cpu related. Now, i have a question, i am using the emu asio driver in the device settings within nuendo. When, i set my buffers, i do that, in the start meun---neundo----asio multimedia---right? now, am i to assume, the i detect the out samples and then add the same number to my input samples? when i do the detecting, i get 8192 for samples, is this right?

    I have tried everything, and i consider myself to be somewhat of an intermiedate user. I am going to go insane soon. I have not slept in one week.

    Please, help, i cant understand this.

    Any Ideas?
  2. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Distinguished Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    Silicon Valley
    First off you should know that in some cases, clicks and pops don't ever get solved completely. Nature of the beast.

    When using the E-MU stuff you must always use the E-MU E-DSP ASIO driver for best performance. Using anything else and or tweaking the multimedia driver is path to failure.

    I've heard a very small group of users having various click and pops due to the v1.8 driver that were not there in v1.7 so you may be one of them. Several of them had there problem resolve with a fresh install of windows and re-install of the E-MU.

    Are you sure your not expecting to much of your system?

    What sampe rate are you using?

    Make sure ytou windows sounds turned off

    Are you sure you have PatchMix and Nuendo set to internal clock?
  3. wavline1820m

    wavline1820m Guest

    Hi, thanks for your reply. I am using a sample rate of 44.1 my windows sounds are turned off. patchmix and nuendo are both set to internal clock. i dont think i am expecting to much. these clips, are very frequent. they look like straight lines, on the top or bottom of my track. I have installed the driver version 1.8, i will try to go down to 1.7. in my multimedia asio settings, i did a buffer check and detect, and, orginally it was set at 5 buffers and 5192 samples. after the dectection process it set it sefl to 8192. could this be the problem? mind, you, they were there before and after this process. Now things seem a little worse.

    Also, its worse, when, i am using a mic, with the pres on the front of this card. when i have my guitar plugged in, stereo at the back, its not quite as bad,

    Please help...! Do you think i need to take it back? mabey try something else. i really want to keep this one. i dont know what else to look for
  4. TeddyG

    TeddyG Well-Known Member

    Jan 20, 2005
    I already did this once with "quick reply"(By mistake, I don't know what "QR" is?), so if it showed up somewhere else, sorry.


    Have you tried manufacturers forums for Nuendo, E-Mu or Mixmatch(I don't know what that is?). Your questions may have already been answered - even in a FAQ file on one of the sites. Most of these types of problems are simply set-up issues, quickly resolved, IF you go to the right source - with luck, the maker of the gear(Or the instruction manual.).

  5. webtroy

    webtroy Guest

    it sounds to me like two things .. one thing mentioned above..

    1.. YOUR ASIO DRIVER... make sure you have selected the EMU ASIO driver.. and not the DIRECT X ASIO or MULTIMEDIA ASIO DRIVER...

    - once that is done.. try with a 10ms buffer.. then move it lower and lower.. until you get the satisfactory latency without clicks and pops..

    2.. secondly.. in MOST cases.. if you have OVERCLOCKED YOUR CPU and or RAM .. you will get clicks and POPS.. most manufacturers of pro audio sound cards will tell you not to O/C your DAW..

    also.. i have never used EMU hardware... or Nuendo... so.. yeah.. hmmm.. yeah..

    anyways.. good luck.
  6. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001

    it has been a long time since I have had one and would never accept that from a system
    I can't add any specifics to this problem here as this list of gear and sw it is not my home turf.
    get the system working right before spending too much time recording to it.

    good luck
  7. CharlesDayton

    CharlesDayton Active Member

    Mar 22, 2005
    This may be way off the mark, but I saw your capitolized cry for help and coulden't resist giving my two cents. Sometimes digital clicks and pops can be a problem related to sync. Thats why its good to use an external sync source. AArdsync, or Appogee's Big Ben might solve the problem. I don't know if your card takes video sync or Midi sync, but I didn't see any kind of sync box mentioned in your post.
    Also, back in the day when I used Cubase, I always found Steinberg tech support to be great. You might give them a call.
    Good luck
  8. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Distinguished Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    Silicon Valley
    One other thing to check for is BIOS and chipset driver updates. Uninstall and try a different PCI slot. Do you have a legit non cracked version of Nuendo? Got the most recent patch for Nuendo as well?
  9. wavline1820m

    wavline1820m Guest

    thanks for you help guys, but, still i have been over most of this. believe me, i have solved these problems, before, and i usually seem to know what to do. Exept this time. i have the most recent settings for everythign, and i have all the lastest drivers, and my version of nuendo is legit. I ahve tlaked with Mr steinberg, and they set up my buffers, with me, and walked me through some stuff. but, i still, have the clicks. now keep in mind, they are not playback clicks, but, they are these digital clips, with striaght sides, almost certain to be related to the cpu. i havent overclocked, i havent the need to. this think is powerfull, i can run many more tracks then i need and many more vsti then i need, without hardly taxing the computer. i have optimized it from top to bottom, and i still get them. i really dont get it. I do not want to return this card, the converters are to pristine, and i like the dsp effects. espically the stereo reverb and the compressor. i have priced everything, and the closest thing to the price, would be the presonus firepod, with its 24/96. but, i dotn know, i know, its one little thing.......help.......
  10. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Distinguished Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    Silicon Valley
    Like all problems, break it down to the most basic level. Remove all the plugs and the E-MU DSP effects and start with a few tracks. Does the problem still exist? Start with a new project record a few tracks. Problem still there? You might try to roll back to the v1.7 drivers.

    Have you tried any other recording/sequencing software?
  11. wavline1820m

    wavline1820m Guest

    I have not rolled back to the older drivers. i tried to do that, but, i cant seemt to find them on the emu site. i will keep looking. i have broken things down, and started over 3 times, with a fresh os install and the works. here is somethign, though, if this helps, it is more apparent, when, i am miking something, and going thorught the pres. My guitar plugges, in throught my pod, and goes in stereo, at the back. Although, i get the very odd click , it sometimes doesnt even happen. Now, with the, phantom power on, and 414 running, an acoustic guitar, i get more of these clicks. triple the amount actually. What the helll does this mean....??????? I dont want to take this card back, i really love it. Thanks so far guys, but, there is just somethign i am missign here...

    Chris, wavline labs...
  12. Reggie

    Reggie Distinguished Member

    Dec 20, 2004
    Could it be some kind of power issue? Running mic pres off of a computer's power supply can't be a good idea with all the other stuff being powered. Maybe bulk up your power with an Antec supply around 400 watts. Looks like you are powering a fast CPU and a lot of ram. A new PSU certainly won't hurt anything, and it will help prevent one more thing that can fail on you during a session.

    One more test for you: Have you tried recording to both harddrives? If not, try recording a couple tracks using your system hard drive. That's all the idears I have.
  13. wavline1820m

    wavline1820m Guest

    Thanks, i will try the hard drive issue. never thought of that. hey, come to think of it, i may be having a problem with that drive, cause, its 160 gig. and i am only able to get it to register 130. weird. i willl test that right now. and p.s i have a 450 watt psu. i dont think thats it......

    But, i kinda sensed it could be a power issue. as well....any other ways to test out this power thing?

    You guys are great...!

  14. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Distinguished Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    Silicon Valley
    Is the click only on one or a few track or every single track at the same exact place?

    How do you have your pod connected? I would think you would have the analog outputs of the pod going to the line inputs on the back??

    Are you 100% certain that the clips are not due to overload/clips of the preamp durring recording? It is a very common problem and easy thing to happen even if you think your paying attention while your recording.

    E-MU took down the beta website where v1.7 was. That just might be glitch as I heard their web site is undergoing a web engine upgrade.
  15. p0llen_p0ny

    p0llen_p0ny Guest

    It's not the HD, and the reason it's registering at 130 and not 160 is because of your BIOS. You may need a separate IDE controller to use the full 160 gigs.

    Sounds to me like its just a matter of a cheap chipset. Some motherboards have a hard time with asio. Learned that the hard way.
  16. wavline1820m

    wavline1820m Guest

    cheap chipset? like, what would that be? i am using the new 775 socket p4 3.2 processor, with a jetway motherboard, and i think the via chipset. can i change it. ? or up date it? if so, how , do i do that? do i just go to the via website?

    also, the clips are frequent thourghout any audio track, and even some midi tracks? it that werid? and, not, it not an overload of the pres. checked that out thourghouly.

    I will look into the chipset thing, and, i dont know, i am running out of ideas bigtime.

    Would i get the same results, if i changed, soundcards
  17. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Distinguished Member

    Apr 7, 2001
    NOOOOOO!!!! Stay away from that ASIO Multimedia setup. It's useless and has no true bearing upon your audio card. The only time that actually takes affect is when you set Nuendo to use the ASIO Multimedia Driver and not the supplied driver that comes with your E-MU card.

    I can't say I have any experience with E-MU cards as they're not the most used amongst DAW users.

    In terms of motherboards as well..that's not a board you would see most DAW users here using.

    Typically there are some guidelines that we like to follow to get us a stable and reliable working machine.

    One is to NOT use Via based chipsets as from the past that have always caused more problems than anything else.

    Second is to use components that are known to be reliable..ie Asus motherboards(or intel, abit, A-Open).

    Cheap components are cheap for many reasons...no true quality assurance!!

    If you assembled the system did you use any thermal paste between the CPU and heatsink? Check the BIOS for the hardware monitoring and see what the CPU temperature idles at.

    There are so many things that can cause clicks like the ones you are seeing. Try downloading and installing the latest Via 4in1 patch, try only recording to the OS drive with no other hard drive installed to see if that helps.

    Also try not tweaking the system once installed to see if it's there before you started tweaking and maybe you went too far?

  18. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Distinguished Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    Silicon Valley
    If your BIOS has Hyperthreading, try toggling it opposite of what it is set to now.
  19. wavline1820m

    wavline1820m Guest

    the hyperthreading does not seeem to effect things. i have turned it off and on, with out much difference.

    Umm...yeah, i install the chip, and i did use the thermal paste. I , noticed that the chip stays quite cool. it sits around 35,34. with going anywhere. What i meant, about switching sound cards, i mean phyisically. should i get another converter, and try it out.? what else can i do?

    Also, i thought that via chipsets, the older ones, were $*^t, and the newer ones were ok? and my jetway motherboard, i have used them alot, and never had any problems.

    I like, the installing the OS and not tweaking...then, seeing what happens, i will give that one a shot...

    You guys got anything else? i seee, that were diggin here, but, so, far, you have come up with some great ideas....its that one thing....frig
  20. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Distinguished Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    Silicon Valley
    Re-installing the OS while used as a last resort has cured many a problem by many users from my experience. Certainly worth a try as was trying another PCI slot, though depending on the IRQ assignment, it could makes things worse. I forgot if you check for IRQ conflicts, if you have not then that is yet another item to check.

    How about reducing your graphics resolution?

    If you have a high end graphics card, it is possible that it is hogging the PCi bus causing audio artifacts. You only need the most basic video card for most audio work.

    Look here for a few tips...


    http://www.musicxp.net look for tuning tips section

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