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Ideas For the Mixfest.

Discussion in 'Recording' started by audiowkstation, Aug 29, 2001.

  1. audiowkstation

    audiowkstation Active Member

    Downloading the songs now.......yes, I will participate.

    Questions that need to be addressed:

    1. Maximum number of channels
    2. Sync-ing the tracks
    3. Format: Raw, Stools,Aiff,Wav.,9660...etc..
    4. Smpte track for analog?
    5. Keep it premastered/postmastered?
    6. Compiling engineer?
    7. Mailout and handling personell?
    8. Maximum Number of participants?

    As you know, I am basically doing the turnarounds and managing the mastering project.

    If any help is needed by me...I will be glad to lend a hand.

    One Caveat:

    Looks like this (if I am to be involved in any of the logistics) will have to be a done deal by First of Novemeber. I just bought 8.3 acres and have another lot to sell, and a house and lot to sale...and will have to build a new house and move. (need more room folks) My input will be a dead issue after Nov 1 for logistics, involving me after that date....and I have to manage to go to Calif. for a big ole' mixdown and some tracking as well. I will be kicking ass from Nov-March. I don't even know if I can get internet access (!!)at the new property...so I will be working with wireless connection ($$$$$) to stay in touch after Nov 1st.

    Things can be put together on my end if some help is needed in logistic handling. This project is far more complex than the mastering project...so the send for out indivigual tracks would have to be multiformat compatible, preferably you can just do them from a CD to analog/daw, stripe a tape, manual sinc them and cut to either analog mixing or digital.

    If those above questions can be answered, then we can move on this pretty quick.

    I would love to lend a hand....now listening to the tracks............
     
  2. Mixerman

    Mixerman Active Member

    Originally posted by Bill Roberts:
    [QB]Downloading the songs now.......yes, I will participate.

    Questions that need to be addressed:

    1. Maximum number of channels
    2. Sync-ing the tracks
    3. Format: Raw, Stools,Aiff,Wav.,9660...etc..
    4. Smpte track for analog?
    5. Keep it premastered/postmastered?
    6. Compiling engineer?
    7. Mailout and handling personell?
    8. Maximum Number of participants?

    As you know, I am basically doing the turnarounds and managing the mastering project.

    If any help is needed by me...I will be glad to lend a hand. [QB]

    Bill,

    There are many hurdles to overcome. I'm watching the input come in on the songs, and I really don't see a clear cut favorite, not that I'm surprised. Originally I had a clear choice for this Festival, and was prepared to be swayed by the future participants. Now, I just want to mix them all! But that's not feasible.

    First, I have to see how many people are participating. You're right, this is considerably bigger than the Mastering project. Once a song is picked, now I'm possibly even thinking songs, then we will have to see how feasible this is. Like I said before, this will have to be a huge group effort. I won'tbe surprised if the song is transferred to 10 different formats.

    As to the maximum number of channels, I don't know what that should be. I've been e-mailing the song submitters for just that. That's part of the decision.

    Like I said, this is a mammoth effort, the more peole that are participating, the more that are going to have to help in some way. And it's going to cost people money, don't forget that. I'm sure that I will have to buy a reel of 2" tape so that I can mix this thing, and then I'll have to send the analog Masters that I have made to the next person to mix from. That's not cheap. And others will have shipping costs, and tape costs, and what have you.

    So the price of admission to this thing isn't going to be free, just remember that. But I don't want to get into collecting money to cover costs either. This has to be a group effort, and the money that it costs people just has to be what it is.

    Mixerman
     
  3. Rog

    Rog Member

    Is it feasible to upload the tracks somewhere? I have a fast net connection and the downloads wouldnt be a problem.
     
  4. arneholm

    arneholm Guest

    Originally posted by Rog:
    Is it feasible to upload the tracks somewhere? I have a fast net connection and the downloads wouldnt be a problem.I kinda believe that this is not going to happen. If it is, though, I guess I am able to negotiate myself temporarily up to a 1 Gigabyte worth of FTP server space, where the tracks could be stored in digital format. I guess 1 Gig per song ought to do it?

    I work in the local biggest ISP as my day job in - I guess that would not be a problem. The connection speed should be a rather fast too - about 50 megs to outer world and growing fast. Also some relative value on being in the total periphery of the world - the servers are not awfully overloaded.

    The thing is - I don't think that many of the participants are able to use this service - Mixerman and many others will use analog, a lot of guys are not having fast connections and so on - hey, some spent half an hour or more downloading simple mp3 songs. So I guess the vote is open - do we need the files put online somewhere or is it simply not worth it?

    Best regards,
    Arne Holm
     
  5. mikemoritz

    mikemoritz Guest

    It would definitely be easier for me to upload the songs from somewhere

    Mike
     
  6. bportzer

    bportzer Guest

    I also could download/upload anything that is necessary.

    bretford
     
  7. zap

    zap Guest

    There is positively no way I'd download anything uncompressed. If you make each track a 128k mp3 then maybe... but the raw stuff? F'get it. I'm in Sweden, net costs is per-minute.... and I'm on a tiny ISDN line... eek...

    /Z
     
  8. Rog

    Rog Member

    I could download the .wav files and ISDN them accross to anyone willing to dial?

    This might work out cheaper for some people, especially if they're in the UK. the MP2 compression *should* be OK?!?!
     
  9. Mixerman

    Mixerman Active Member

    It seems that SDII, AIFF, and Wave files cover the majority of people out there. We could make CD's of each of these, and just send them to people. I mean, postage on 2 CD's isn't going to kill anyone, and then the person who gets them can send it to the next person for copying.

    I know, I know, that's like the dark ages, but given that broadband is still pricey, we can't expect that everyone is going to have it.

    Mixerman
     
  10. Mixerman

    Mixerman Active Member

    I posted this under Song vote, but realized that people aren't necessarily checking that thread. So maybe I'll have better luck with it here.


    Not to throw a wrench in the works, but maybe we should mix all five songs. Stick with me here.
    I'm not saying we each should mix 5 songs. We each should mix 1 song. But perhaps 40 mixes (probably more) of 1 song is a bit overkill. Can you imagine yourself listening to the 40th one? You'd be about ready to kill yourself.

    How about if we break it up into 5 groups of 8 mixing each song?

    Then everyone will be able to mix the song that they dig the most, which is always beneficial to getting a great mix.

    The more I think about it, the more I think this is probably the best way to do it.

    So whaddya think? You guys like that idea?

    Mixerman
     
  11. Jon Best

    Jon Best Active Member

    OK, we all know this is going to cost somebody some money. We may end up having someone send a copy out in each format, and have that person copy to someone else, etc., etc., but that seems like a huge daisy chain that'll take a lot of time, with some people starting to talk about the mixes before others have even gotten the tracks, etc., etc...

    I think the model of the r.a.p. CD's and the Mastering thing going on right now is better. We could have one person per format (sdII, .wav and .aif) volunteer to do the copies, and each one of us that wanted to participate would send that person a couple of dollars to get those copies.

    Put a cap on it timewise, say three weeks after the copy-volunteers get the masters, and then another three weeks or so after that, all the mixes get sent to a central person who has volunteered to (bit-identical, no processing) assemble them into as many CD's as necessary. A second round of checks would be sent to this person, who would then distribute.

    I'd be happy to be the .wav guy, or do the final assembly and distribution (i'd be doing one-offs, though, so someone with a replication tower is more than welcome to step in...). I could probably do the other two formats as well, if noone else wants to, as I need to go buy a CD burner for the Mac anyway.

    Thoughts?
     
  12. warlock

    warlock Guest

    Originally posted by Mixerman:

    So whaddya think? You guys like that idea?

    Mixerman


    Me personally I'm OK with everything, for me this is a great chance to get to mix music other than metal for a change :)

    Keijo
     
  13. Aaron-Carey

    Aaron-Carey Active Member

    This is HILLARIOUS!!!
    Always we DAW guys get laughed at because we dont spend enough money on our equipment, yet, you are worried about distribution???

    Friggin get cable or DSL! It costs only a tiny fraction of a halfaway decent piece of kit.

    What is all this about shipping CD's?
    Put it on an FTP and be done with it, yesterday.

    As long as the start time of each track is the same, just post em in any format that you got, from there if any one needs, someone will surely convert it for everyone.

    Dont make such a big deal, this is sposed to be fun.
     
  14. Dave McNair

    Dave McNair Active Member

    I like the mix the track you like idea. If I have the time, I might mix a few.
     
  15. Rader Ranch

    Rader Ranch Member

    Originally posted by Aaron Carey:
    Friggin get cable or DSL! .

    ok, Mr. Carey...i'm afraid you've hit a sore spot...how about i live 2 ^#$%ing miles from JPL and less than 4 from the old Earthlink home office and i CAN"T GET DSL!!!!! how about the ONLY choice i have for cable is ^#$%ing Charter, who rip non-cable customers off for $50/month for ^#$%ing 2x 56k modem speeds??????and have the nerve to call that ^#$%ing broadband???? and i have to come home almost every ^#$%ing day and throw out piles of junkmail (and even email on this damn computer) screaming at me to take advantage of these special DSL/Cable offers and screaming speeds!!?!?!?!?!?! and how about the only remotely decent satellite solution in terms of acceptable performance has a $1000 installation cost!!! and haven't you read the posts from our European folk??!?!?!?!? so CRAM the flippant attitude towards the internet garbage!

    whew..there, i feel slightly better now...

    seriously....burning and sending 30 or so CD's is hardly a big deal... won't cost much, takes nothing to setup, and it'll work.

    so there...pththtpthtpthttppp!!!
     
  16. Aaron-Carey

    Aaron-Carey Active Member

    Ok then, heres a half solution. Put the stuff on a FTP for those of us who have cable...yesterday.

    For those with out lets do some mailing or even better heres an idea:

    We only know most of each other thru nameless facelss computer screens. Wouldnt it be cool if the guys who had cable, could burn these onto some CD's and meet ( face to face gasp! ) those who are not in the easy cable/dsl zones?

    I think that would be great!
    We would get to meet some of the brethren from recording.org, and be sure that everyone has a chance to participate!

    How about it?
    If anyone's in the central Arizona area, and needs these on CD rather than an FTP, Ill be glad to bring it.
     
  17. Mixerman

    Mixerman Active Member

    You call that a fight?

    My forum is waaaaayy to civilized.

    *sigh*

    Mixerman
     
  18. RNorman

    RNorman Active Member

    Originally posted by Mixerman:
    It seems that SDII, AIFF, and Wave files cover the majority of people out there. We could make CD's of each of these, and just send them to people. I mean, postage on 2 CD's isn't going to kill anyone, and then the person who gets them can send it to the next person for copying.

    I know, I know, that's like the dark ages, but given that broadband is still pricey, we can't expect that everyone is going to have it.

    Mixerman


    CD-Rs seem like the smartest way to me. Of course there's the inevitable delay, and Bill said something about a November deadline, so those could play a part.
     
  19. RNorman

    RNorman Active Member

    Originally posted by Aaron Carey:
    This is HILLARIOUS!!!
    Always we DAW guys get laughed at because we dont spend enough money on our equipment, yet, you are worried about distribution???

    Friggin get cable or DSL! It costs only a tiny fraction of a halfaway decent piece of kit.

    What is all this about shipping CD's?
    Put it on an FTP and be done with it, yesterday.

    As long as the start time of each track is the same, just post em in any format that you got, from there if any one needs, someone will surely convert it for everyone.

    Dont make such a big deal, this is sposed to be fun.


    Easy to say, but appears there's a lack of telecommunications industry knowledge here. Do you realize that there are more places in the country that don't have cable/dsl than do? Hell, some places in Vermont/Conneticutt, etc., still have rotary phones. Let's trust the snail mail system for this and be sure that everyone gets a chance to play.
     
  20. drumsound

    drumsound Active Member

    I'm sure that I will have to buy a reel of 2" tape so that I can mix this thing, and then I'll have to send the analog Masters that I have made to the next person to mix from. That's not cheap. And others will have shipping costs, and tape costs, and what have you.

    I'd also like to mix off 2". I'd be willing to go in on a tape, and send it on when I'm done. I would assume you have a better transfer method than I do. I'd take SDII out a MOTU to ADAT then to 2". Anybody else interested?
     

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