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IEM plus earmuffs

Discussion in 'Recording' started by 66, Mar 5, 2007.

  1. 66

    66 Active Member

    I'm setting up a simple recording room. The space available is one small room so it must double as both sound and control room. I was planning on getting some circumaural, closed-back headphones for both monitoring and hearing protection. But I will only get about 20db drop and I want more. So I got the idea to use in ear monitors (about 30db attenuation) then adding some circumaural ear muffs protectors (like these http://www.hearingportal.com/products/products.asp?id=1) for another 30db.

    I have never used IEMs before but I can't imagine a reason why this wouldn't work.

    Any thoughts?
  2. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    This is just for tracking right? Personally I don't think this is particularly a good Idea. Have you done a search for "Isolating headphones"? I know there's a company out there but I can't think of the name for the life of me. I believe these were designed for drummers so they should work reasonably well.
  3. drumist69

    drumist69 Active Member

    Vic Firth (the drumstick company) makes some extreme isolation headphones intended for drummers.
    They only have 24 Db reduction, but I would think that would be enough for tracking use. Don't mix on them! ANDY
  4. 66

    66 Active Member

    Tracking only. Not for anything else.

    hueseph, you said you don't think it's a good idea. Would you mind explaining your thoughts? I agree it seems strange but I haven't heard a convincing reason why not.
  5. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Well, I've never used in ear monitors but I have trouble accepting that you can get any decent sound out of such a small diaphragm.

    I know you're only using it for tracking but likely you will want to get some idea of what you are recording by means of these. So you will want to be able to get a reasonable representation of what you're trying to record from those monitors. You're not going to be able to do that with your standard monitors in the same room, hence the headphones.

    I seriously doubt you will get any reasonable representation from a pair of in ear monitors. Not good enough to check for phase problems or general tone even.

    Again I have to reiterate that I have never used in ear monitors but unless they have made gigantic strides in the mechanics of those tiny little drivers, I don't think they would be any good for more than what they were designed for. Namely stage use.

    It's just my opinion. Add salt to taste.
  6. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    These are the ones I was thinking of.

  7. 66

    66 Active Member

    Thank for the input. .... I have used some headphones that were pretty nice. but never IEMs..

    Sounds like your concern is the quality of the monitors. I suppose most of my concern is interference between the IEMs and the muffs.
  8. blaumph2cool

    blaumph2cool Active Member

    Hue i respect your input on this forum and normally agree with you, but i am going to have to disagree on this one.

    If a quality IEM and the correct in-ear mix is used, it beats any iso or closed back phones i've ever used. both for isolation and quality (largley because of goo iso).
    i know quite a few pro touring drummers who use IEM.

  9. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Again, I have to say, I've never used in ear monitors. I based my opinion on the monitoring aspect as opposed to the isolation aspect. Anyway an opinion based on experience with IEM is what was needed here. Thanks.
  10. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    First off, there are many incredible studios out there where the control room is the studio, the studio is the control room. Standard closed back headphones like the Sennheiser and AKG's are used without problems. The isolation is much more than adequate. If it wasn't, you'd never hear a popular recording because that's what everybody uses. How could you ever sing into a microphone with your crazy method? You couldn't. You wouldn't. Nobody would want to. Both Sir George Martin and Bruce Swedien's studios are control room studios and I've known others. So what do you think your problem is? You're talking numbers that don't mean anything. If you are turning your headphones up that loud, you will have severe intonation problems, as pitch changes with loudness level. Whenever I get some boob in the studio that can't stay on key, I make them crank their headphone level down and/or remove one of the earphones from one of their ears.

    Tommy can you hear me? See me. Touch me. Feel me. Please???
    Ms. Remy Ann David

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