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im impressed with behringer

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Rider, Jun 16, 2005.

  1. Rider

    Rider Guest

    their new GDI21 is a pretty decent sansamp knockoff for 30$.

    i was curious about DI for recording since my gear isnt so on par for recording, its mostly for live/practice purposes. gives a pretty clear tone for the type of modeling it does (high gain recto style).

    not that i would use it to produce a CD, but for personal band recordings its a lot easier.

    anyone try one and know how it compares with its sansamp counterpart? i assumed the behringer model would be a lot lower quality, if it is sansamp must sound really sweet.
     
  2. Boltino

    Boltino Guest

    Making a quality product through research and testing is difficult (sans amp).

    Reverse engineering a product, then building a knockoff (behringer) is not that hard.

    Wes
     
  3. killersoundz

    killersoundz Guest

    Who cares, let them knock off whoever they want. Behringer always has a place in my heart/ :eek:
     
  4. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

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    ohhh sh*t! He said the "Beh" word! Now it's gonna hit th' fan :!:
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  5. Boltino

    Boltino Guest

    I know, I know. It's been discussed to death. It's just hard to let those "Be**nger rules!!!" comments go. :shock:

    Wes
     
  6. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    I have a Behring*r T-shirt I need to sell if your interested. It looks just like a Mackie T-shirt.
    I tryed it on, it feels like an Digitech T-shirt I used to have.
    It says Beh*inger on the front and SansAmp, and Groove Tubes, and Alesis on the back. :x
    Any takers? :lol:
     
  7. Rider

    Rider Guest

    hmm, i need to hold my dignity somehow here..

    i havent had much experience with behringer, i just started noticing them in guitar shops one day and thought 'man that looks like some crappy ass gear'.

    im just happy i have a decent pedal to lay rough tracks down with, that cost near nothing.

    sadly, our band is looking at behringer mixer boards for a practice PA system, which i dont like the idea of. so uh.. anyone happen to know of some good mixer boards around 250-300$ (need 6-8 mic channels and a DI for bass is all). id really rather go with another brand but theres not much that cheap that can compete.
     
  8. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    How can they make that thing and sell it for $30 :?:

    Reverse engineering, stealing designs all aside, I don't see how they can just manufacture it and sell it for that. They must be dumping.
     
  9. Rider

    Rider Guest

    list is 45$.

    the guitar shop here usually sells things way under, i got a dean markley belt clip amp (50$) for like 30. my friend got an ampeg 15" (i think 700 or 800$ amp) for 600.

    so i can see list 45$. quality is about on par as a boss pedal (though i doubt you could stomp it with a sledgehammer..).
     
  10. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    They took a dump alright. Maybe when Beh*inger makes their clone of the Groove Tubes "The Brick" maybe they'll call it "The Dump". :x
    They can paint it brown and put little green flies all over it. :lol:
     
  11. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    "On a par with a Boss pedal"....??????? What planet did you get off of? Boss has their own R&D (Roland). Boss originated the "no-click" electronic footswitch, had some of the first pedals with LEDs,
    standardized power jacks, and invented the effect called "chorus".
    And as far as Sansamp (Tech 21) products are concerned, they are QUALITY...QUALITY built, QUALITY designed (built-in power supply regulation, etc.), and QUALITY sound ( developed by REAL players in NYC). Both of these companies have produced long-term products for the serious player. I have at least 4 Tech 21 products in my studio (TriAC, SansAmp Bass & Acoustic, Killer Wail, plus a MIDI Mouse...OK, that's 5!). Nothing Behringer makes can stand up to ANY of those units....Uli Behringer's stuff is OK for the starter gig, but is a rip-off of the "good stuff".PEACE.
     
  12. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    OK let me clarify that remark. Even at $45 list, how are they manufacturing and shipping it at a price that allows a dealer to sell it for that? If a dealer is selling at $30 that means they are probably paying at most 20 bucks. Add the shipping and "Beh" has got to be netting only $15 a unit.

    I don't see how they can knock it out at that price. It's possible they are selling below cost (dumping) to gain market share. Add that to all the other issues everyone has with "Beh" for stealing designs, poor QC and the fact that their stuff is generally crappy it's just another reason to dislike how this company does business.

    I might be wrong in as what it cost to make and ship these things ... but if they are so cheap to make, then even at $30 it's a rip off!

    One of a few things is going on here. They're dumping, it's a real cheap POS or their labor costs are so low they can afford to sell at that price. Not to beat a dead horse but if it's the later, then the whole question of their sources of labor (Chinese prison / forced or child labor / as rumored but not substantiated) and "Beh's " labor practices comes into play.
     
  13. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    :lol: Amasing what people will spend their money on.
    I have a bag of air I need to get rid of. I'm only asking $10 for it.
    This is no average bag of air however, this is special air. And is used to intoxicate the children of Chinese prison slaves on the other side or the world that work in Semi-conductor plants.
    It has also been known to make you feel as though you are buying something for a good deal, but really you are getting basically nothing.
     
  14. sheet

    sheet Well-Known Member

    I just watched a PBS special on WalMart. Over in China, the laborers are making anywhere from $30 to $100 per week.

    Take that with crap parts, ugly metal, simple metal work, no engineering and you have Behringer making money on it.

    I think it is like this.

    Behringer list :$45.00
    Dealer Cost:$22.50
    Distributor Cost:$19.50
    Parts and manufacturing:$4.00
    Labor:$.50

    Then they still have to pay to get it here, import taxes, etc.

    The question is: Who in the world would want to give up $30 of your hard earned money, for $4.00 worth of parts, and place that crap in the way of your audio? Not me. Go to the library, read some books on electronics, and build your own gear for that price. Atleast you will have learned what really should go into a box, and you aren't contributing to slave labor.
     
  15. Rider

    Rider Guest

    oh my god im talking about the quality of the box not the actual pedal, as in its not cheap plastic. which explains:

    god i come here for a friendly discussion that a supposedly crappy brand makes something dirt cheap that is somewhat decent for laying rough tracks.

    and everyone loses their mind.

    you all need to get your damn coffee already.. or stop drinking it, depends on the situation.

    so do you all want me to drop this thing off a cliff and see if it still works? im pretty sure it could stand pretty close to the abuse a boss pedal can, i know it would outdo a DOD.


    okay 45 isnt too bad, theres guitar pedals out there for 15$ and 30$. the cheap ibanez tubescreamer is like 40$, which is cheaper.
     
  16. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    50 cents? That's a bit high for slave labor, don't you think? :lol: .....Damn, that sucks!
    Ohhh wait, is that 50 cents a day, or an hour?
     
  17. Tommy P.

    Tommy P. Well-Known Member

    Mind? What mind, we're musicians remember?

    You can't go around accusing us of losing something that's already been lost... :)
     
  18. Rider

    Rider Guest

    bah thats true. plus its a forum, why am i surprised.
     
  19. Boltino

    Boltino Guest

    What's that supposed to mean? This is a place for us to express our opinions.

    You expressed yours:
    And I expressed mine. Don't expect a pat on the back from everyone here if some people don't agree with you. What kind of place would this be if we didn't express our true opinions?

    Wes
     
  20. Rider

    Rider Guest

    forums are notorious for heated discussions. i doubt a lot of people that posted here has even tried the pedal, they were too busy bashing behringer on reverse engineering and slave labor (which has such little to do with my original topic). i just wanted a discussion on the sound output compared to sans amp.
     

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