I'm new to recording

Discussion in 'Tracking / Mixing / Editing' started by Josem, Jul 1, 2016.

  1. Josem

    Josem Active Member

    What's up everyone. I'm new to the recording scene and I'm wanting to learn more about it. I'm currently using behringer umc202hd interface on windows 10 and for now running a trail for Studio one 2 DAW. I'm basically wanting to learn more on how to record metal music is what I'm into. And I'm wanting to know what is a good daw for recording mixing and Mastering.
     
  2. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Any modern DAW will suffice.

    But, before you learn how to mix for a specific genre, you need to learn your DAW's functions - along with fundamental recording methods - inside and out.
    Once you gain the knowledge and experience of these things, you can record and mix any style you want, because all the information you gain applies to every style of music.

    Learn your DAW so that you know where every command is and exactly what it does.
    Learn proper gain staging
    Learn proper cabling
    Learn mic types and miking applications
    Learn routing and bussing
    Learn the other fundamental tools like EQ and Gain Reduction

    And then...

    Practice, practice, practice.

    No one here, not even the pro's among us, sat down for their first time and turned out a press quality recording overnight. It's no different than any other craft. It takes time and experience, and you can't rush that.

    You'll make mistakes, some small, some huge. Learn from all of them, commit them to memory.

    If you have specific questions, feel free to ask them here - we're glad to help, that's what we're here for - but you have to do your own legwork, too; you have to educate yourself. No one here has the time to teach you from square one.

    Youtube will be very helpful to you for the basics.

    Welcome to RO. ;)

    -d.
     
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  3. Sean G

    Sean G Well-Known Member

    Hi Josem

    Welcome to RO. I would re-inforce what @DonnyThompson says, really get to know your DAW and the basics that he has listed.

    Studio One is a good DAW to start out with, and as Donny suggests, youtube is a really good platform for tutorials on Studio One and the basics.

    You may want to check out these dedicated Studio One youtube channels if you haven't already done so.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7WUeriUrgp0QI9R61RWz0w

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK0pITrfzEC36x6ttyaXUXA



    You may also want to check out Glenn Fricker's Spectre Sound Studios youtube channel also https://www.youtube.com/user/SpectreSoundStudios/about.

    Glenn has a passion for metal and has some informative videos which can show you a thing or two about recording and the basics, whilst having a laugh along the way.

    He looks like an evil bad dude in his pic on his home page but don't let that fool you. ;)

    Keep in mind that Recording.Org being a problem based learning forum is a useful resource of information as well, members are only too happy to give you advice on specifics along the way.

    You can use the search menu at the top right hand corner and tap into an archive of intelligent and well-informed threads from the past 15 years on a wide range of audio related and recording topics that will have answers to just about any question you can ask.

    If you don't find what you are looking for, just ask by posting a thread.

    Good Luck (y)

    - Sean.
     
  4. Josem

    Josem Active Member

    Thanks guys. I have Seen every video glenn fricker done I have larn a lot by it. As suggested I'm Goin thru my whole daw to learn it before I ask more question. One thing I know I have a small latency sending out to monitors and head phnes
     
  5. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    depending on which audio interface you are using, and your computer's specs, you can tighten up the latency by using the lowest buffer in your DAW's settings, and then using a higher one when you are mixing.

    What audio interface are you using?

    System Specs? ( CPU, RAM, OS etc.)
     
  6. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    The behringer umc202hd is said to have very workable latencies.. I wouldn't worry about it for now..

    To me good recordings are made while using or controling; the instrument and performance, the room, the mic(s) and placement, cables, preamps, converter.
    But once you know all the tricks and technics, the most important thing is a well trained set of ears. If you can recongnise when it sound good or not, you are half way there.

    @Josem, did you record some stuff already ? (care to share ? )

    Do you already have some mics ? how's your room, what monitors do you have ?
     
  7. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    This guy is using a different interface than you are, but his instructions are for S1, and should translate decently to the Behringer you are using.



    Here's one based on a Presonus AudioBox i/o, and this should be very similar to your Behringer in terms of latency:

     
  8. Josem

    Josem Active Member

    Thanks for the videos I got it working good now.. now to learn this whole daw system
     
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  9. Josem

    Josem Active Member

    So I been recording guitars and bass. I do 2 rhythm guitars and 2 lead guitars and 1 track for bass. I did notice when I recorded all the tracks I can here lead guitar and bass on the rhythm guitar track. I know I $*^t off the recording for other channels and used 1. My question is do I need to put None on the other input tracks cause I leave them in input 2.
     
  10. Sean G

    Sean G Well-Known Member

    Just assign the input to the track you are recording on.
     
  11. Josem

    Josem Active Member

    How do I upload a wav file so you guys can hear what I have recorded. My distorted guitars sound bad. Can't figure out how to fix that.
     
  12. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    You can ulpoad an MP3 by clicking on the "upload a file" button on the bottom right, just to the right of the "post reply" button. This will open a window that allows you to select the MP3 from your computer. Depending on the file size and your connection speed it may take a few minutes.
    RO currently supports MP3 uploads up to 320kbps in quality. It does not support .wav files at this time.

    -d.
     
  13. Josem

    Josem Active Member

    Can a simple cable be ruining my recordings.??I had to go back to the beginning when I first got my interface. I notice in the beginning that my vocal sounded bad I had to raise it up all the way to get sound but at the same time it made a lot of hissing noise in the background. I was using a xlr to headphone jack with quater inch adapter. I fixed that by replacing it with a xlr to xlr now the vocals sound crisp perfect.... my question is I'm I missing something recording guitars? I have my guitar plugged in directly to the interface
     
  14. Sean G

    Sean G Well-Known Member

    yes, a good cable can mean a world of difference. Its always the first place you should look when trouble-shooting faults.

    As for the guitar...

    Do you own an amp?...if so, you can mic the amp cabinet...then run the mic into your interface like you would with a vocal track.

    What mic are you using?

    You can use a dynamic or a condenser mic for this and it will give you a more typically raw sound compared to going direct into your interface.

    If you don't own an amp, try looking at the different amp sim vst plug-ins that will simulate one...if you are using Studio One 3, there is one called Ampire that comes as a native to SO that you could use...you can choose the type of head and type of cab, even engage stomp pedals as well to mix it up a little.

    Another one that come to mind is Amplitube.

    There are literally heaps and heaps of vst amp sims out there, just try googling "free guitar vst plug-in" or "free guitar amp vst" and they will pop up on a google search.
     
  15. Josem

    Josem Active Member

    I have a shure sm58 beta A and for amp I have a small line 6 spider. And I used ampire distortion set up
    And I notice when I plug my guitar I have to set the volume low cause it clips so I have to add the pad to lower it more and bring it up a bit
     
  16. Sean G

    Sean G Well-Known Member

    Sounds like you do not have correct gain staging between your guitar and the preamps in your interface.

    Out of curiosity...what interface are you using?

    Gain is control over the level coming into your interface, whereas your interface will also have a main or master which controls the level going out of your interface.

    Think of gain as your sensitivity. Need a mic to be more sensitive?...then turn the gain up.

    Think of gain staging as allowing the signal to be at its optimum at every stage of the chain, not too low but not peaking or clipping either.
    Just like the porridge in Goldilocks & The Three Bears...you want it 'just right'.

    If your interface allows you to select mic / instrument via a switch, make sure you have this selected to instrument.

    Start with having your guitar set on about 1/3 volume, with your gain for the particular channel you are running through at your interface set to zero and your volume fader in your DAW for the particular track you are recording to set at around -20db. Also make sure the master fader in your DAW is also set at around -20db.

    Set the main or master on your interface at 60-70%. As a rule of thumb, I don't exceed 75%.

    Slowly bring your gain (for your particular channel your guitar is in) on your interface up to the point where it starts to peak or clip at the interface. Then back it off around 10-15% from that point of peaking or clipping.
    You do not want to be going in too hot into your interface, or at the track level in your DAW for that matter.
    Now slowly bring your guitar volume level up to the point where you see it start to clip at the interface, then back the guitar volume off until you are about 10-15% below where it starts to clip.

    Then you can adjust the track in your DAW. Ideally, you want to be tracking between -20db and no more than -12db at peak in your DAW. Again, don't try to push things into the red or above 0db within the DAW as digital distortion will occur and unlike analog distortion it will not add any benefit to tracking that hot.

    Ideally as a rule of thumb you want to be at no more than a maximum of 75% gain coming into the interface, but this can vary due to the type of mic or instrument plugged into the interface, and whether this has its own independent amplification and / or volume control.

    Remember, gain is control of the signal that is coming into your interface. Your interface will also have a main or master which controls the level going out of your interface to your DAW.
    Again, as a rule of thumb, you really do not want that main or master level on your interface to be any higher than a maximum of 75% or clipping can occur and cause all types of ugly harmonic distortion.

    Ideally you want to set the master or main and leave it set. Control the level of signal at the interface via the gain controlling the incoming signal.
    Once you have your gain structure sorted out, you will find that you will really only be adjusting the gain control to suit when using different imputs, be it either mics or instruments.

    Not enough gain early on in the chain can cause issues with increasing the noise floor as it gets increased further and further down the line. As you change gain at one part of the chain it has a butterfly effect as you go down the line. Once you have your gain staging set adjustments in volume can then be made using your fader on the mixing desk, or in the DAW when recording.

    Once you understand the how-to of correct gain staging it makes your life so much easier...especially when it comes to recording.
     
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  17. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Sean's post was spot on. Sage advice, read and learn.

    On top of this, this jumped out at me:

    I think part of his problem may just be with that Line 6 Spyder. I've used them, several times, ( never for recording but for rehearsals and stuff) and they don't sound very good at any volume, ( along with being pretty noisy it's also pretty bad tone wise, and the internal effects, while convenient, generally off more noise as well) so perhaps he's trying to turn the amp up in order for it to sound good ( ?) and it's clipping his audio device, and getting a decent tone with that Line 6 is pretty much a futile battle. The problem isn't with the 58, as it can take a ridiculous amount of SPL ( sound pressure level), so it's got to be the gain structure.

    At moderate volumes, with your pre set to a moderate level, you shouldn't be clipping... which tells me you that there may be a problem with your audio input device, or that you're still running too hot. Setting up the pad on the input will definitely help curb this, that's what it's there for, but it won't make the tone any better, other than getting rid of input clip distortion.

    What is "ampire"? Is this a guitar amp sim you are adding in addition to the guitar amp's signal?

    What pre amp / i-o are you using?
     
  18. Sean G

    Sean G Well-Known Member

    Ampire is a guitar amp vst similar to Amplitube Donny, but native to SO. Reading his posts again, the OP alludes to maybe using both together, which I wouldn't recommend.

    I think it may be a good idea for the OP to either be using his actual guitar amp, or Ampire, but not both together as this will add to much distortion and make the guitar sound up to sh#t.

    My advice here to the OP...just use one or the other...vst amp sims are better used when you are going clean and going direct into the interface to give you a little variety and ability to sculpt the sound giving you the effect of a mic'd amp.

    If you want to get the sounds of the Spyder just mic it clean without using Ampire and sculpt the sound from the controls on the amp itself. You can use a little EQ or compression afterwards via a plug-in once you have things tracked in your DAW to further add to the track.

    But personally, I wouldn't use both together.
     
  19. Josem

    Josem Active Member

    i might be confusing you guys let me start again.
    When I plug my guitar direct into the interface and use ampire there is
    a hush noise while playing the instrument and when I palm mute then strings I can here
    it too its hard to describe the noise . Then next I did was mic the amp still did the same noise on the recorded track or hearing it thru the headphones and monitors but not thru the amp even tho I know using a line 6 is a no go but its what I have to just figure out the issue. the behringer 202hd has midas preamp.
     
  20. DogsoverLava

    DogsoverLava Active Member

    I assume you mean a "harsh" noise. It would help if you posted an mp3 of the noise. If I understand what you are saying is that direct into your interface using amp sims you hear the noise, and when you mic your amp and go into the interface you hear the noise too -- but not from the amp - that the noise is coming from the interface/DAW...

    Check first you are using ASIO drivers -- not windows drivers for your interface, second check for a ground related issue -- try getting a long extension cord and plug your interface into a different oputlet in another oom - try a few different ones - is the noise still there? Others mention gain staging and settings --- I'd check that you don't have the input levels set too high on the interface and also that you don't have the input level too high on the DAW. What are the levels you see in the DAW? Check the master bus levels -- what do you see there? And yes -- cords -- try a different usb cable -- try a different usb port in your computer ---
     

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