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Instruments in the studio

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Gertok, Dec 9, 2007.

  1. Gertok

    Gertok Guest

    I have seen that many studios have a variety of gear to choose from. As far as my home studio goes... I have a really good bass rig (ampeg, rocktron etc) but nothing else. I need some advice, if i I should save for something like Tama Rockstar with zildjian cymbals, and may be some guitar equipment. I don't want to buy 4x12 cab, cause it is really for stage and will take up a lot of space in storage, what should I get, should I get anything?

    EDIT -> Maybe something like Fender Frontman 212R
    EDIT --> Cause later I can wire it so that I can use a different head with it.
     
  2. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    One piece of advice - avoid good cymbals.

    If the drummers you want to record can bring their own, good. Otherwise, the sh*tty drummers that like to bang the crap out of them will kill your $200 Zildjian A's! (Been there, done this).

    For my studio, I use Sabian B8s. They're a little less elegant than trash can lids. If the drummer brings their own cymbals, the reward is that they don't have to hear or use the B8s. If they DON'T, this means they're probably a crappy drummer any way and the B8s are perfect for them!

    Just tell your drummers in advance to bring their own cymbals or beware the wrath of the B8.

    Also - don't worry about keeping too many sticks on site. Keep a few pairs of 5Ns or similar and maybe a pair of Vader brushes. If the drummers are needy for their own crap - they can bring it!

    As for the amp - Mesa Nomad!
     
  3. taxman

    taxman Active Member

    As for amps, you definitely don't want a Frontman 212. I am not dissing solid state amps. The problem is that at 100 watts it is way to loud for a studio, also dual speakers makes it harder to mike without inteference from the second speaker.

    You only need 5 to 15 watts for a recording amp. Recommendations are fender Blues Jr at 18, or a Roland Cube at 15 or 20. Guitarists can bring their own pedals.
     
  4. Gertok

    Gertok Guest

    Ha, that makes it easier! WIll roland handle Heavy Metal recordings?

    EDIT - > One Concern Though I remember recording Marshal mg15cd and it sounded very bad...
     
  5. taxman

    taxman Active Member

    I don't use that channel, but it may. The Cubes are modelling amps. They model Fender, Vox, Marsahll and Mesa, in addition to a Roland Chorus.
     
  6. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    Another vote for this. The Blues Jr. is the one mass market amp that I have tried and like in this category. of course, there are still a lot of little 30 year old tube amp floating around out there, Fender champs, Princetons, Harvards, etc. (Of course, it will help to have a good tech available to revive one of these.) If you have the money there are a ton of boutique options that are really nothing more than copies of the old Fender circuits. (Which were right out of the RCA tube manual.) I lucked out and landed a Matchless Hurricane (15 watts) that someone wanted to get rid of quickly. Think small
     
  7. Gertok

    Gertok Guest

    I am not talking about 2nd channel
    ofcourse some guitar players will have their pedals. Just the fact of an 8'' speaker...

    EDIT - > What do you think about Palomino V8?
     
  8. AllInRuins

    AllInRuins Guest

    As far as drums go... drums such as the Pearl Export, or Tama Superstars are good. Its all in the tuning, mic placement, mixing and mastering.

    I would suggest having a Sennheiser e609 in your arsenal, IMO it kicks the SM57s ass recording guitar.
     
  9. Gertok

    Gertok Guest

    I will probably add that to my closet after Fathead and Bluebird.

    EDIT -> I am trying to decide between V8 and Cube 15, V8 sounded very good, cube 15 nice on clean, but I did not find any videos of distortion from pedals on cube 15. On board distortion in cube 15 was bad, but it is half the price of V8.
     
  10. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    I'm gonna third and fourth the Blues Jr. suggestion. It is tube from front to back, will accept a large number of boutique speaker options and is voiced somewhere between a Deluxe and an AC15 Vox. On a clean setting it makes the Strats sparkle as they should and for distorted, you can get a great grind going. I have many amps as options, those I own and those I can use, and never has the Blues Jr. not been more than adequate for any style of track.

    If you want different sounds an after market speaker may be in order. Check Webber, BlueVooDoo, Celestion, stuff like that.
     
  11. Gibsonsg1090

    Gibsonsg1090 Guest

    I am a guitar player my self so I wouldnt recomend the fr-212 because Im not a huge fan of the way it sounds. But you are right about the fact that you dont need a 4x12 amp. BUT i do recommend getting an amp that can be run through tubes and can be in solid state also so you can get to various sounds. It also can save storage too! Many companies have that type of feature. I believe that Line 6 just cam out with one not to long ago.
     
  12. Gertok

    Gertok Guest

    We've played on that in GC it sounds pretty bad for the price. Sounds same as little line6 amp. The budget is also another problem... I would like to fit in 200.
     
  13. Gibsonsg1090

    Gibsonsg1090 Guest

    hmmmm.....have u tried the microcube by roland. Those are around 149 and they are very small and porable. Only 2 watts of power but they are pretty loud too. But also the blues jr like everone is sugesting a great like tube amp. Simple to use to! u dont even need to warm up the tubes which is time consuming. Those run alittle over over you budget but worth the cash.
     
  14. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    Davedog, et. al.-
    Anyone with specific speaker recomendation for the Blues Jr for someone doing stuff like jazz, country, blues ranging from clean to mildly distorted?
     
  15. Gertok

    Gertok Guest

    Blues Jr is more than twice as much 450 vs 200...
     
  16. TheFraz

    TheFraz Active Member

    being a HUGE fan of recording with a fender twin, I fully disagree!
     
  17. Gertok

    Gertok Guest

    I kinda liked Tech 21 Trademark 30. The demo that they provided sounds pretty good, price is not far from budget too. Anyone tried?
     
  18. droc8705

    droc8705 Active Member

    if i were you, i'd just wait.

    i've played a bunch of amps, and bought a bunch of amps, but that's because i would look for what sounded the best for my budget. i later realized that it had to be the other way around to really give me what i wanted. like my last amp, for example. i wanted a combo that could give me nice cleans (i'm a jazz guitar major in school) that would give me enough output to fill a concert hall, but still sound good in my dorm room, so i was thinking a 2x12. i played 'em all: fender, marshal, roland, line 6. i finally settled for a vox ac30. it ended up being just over a grand, but damn, that thing is gorgeous. it worked for me and i think it'll end up working for you.

    now, once you find that amp, be it the fender or an ac15 or whatever, you can find cheaper ways of getting the amp than GC or Sam Ash.
    1) ebay. not everyone's into it, especially for amps, but i'm down with it.
    2) pawn shops. this is easier if you don't have a specific amp in mind but a general category (1x12 tube for example). see what you can find. some have great mics too.
    3) classifieds. nowadays, this is so easy, people a just too stupid to realize it...me included. with online newspapers, myspace, facebook, and craig's list out there now, it's easier than you can imagine.

    i hope that helps you out a little dude. if you need any more help on where to look pm me or something. just remember, it's all about what YOU want, don't settle for less.

    -dave
     
  19. Gertok

    Gertok Guest

    Thank you for your huge detailed answer.
    The problem with ebay and amps... shipping sometimes raises the cost so much that why not get a new one for just a little more. I have a home studio (2 rooms) with some decent equipment (for the home studio). I don't have a huge client base that are waiting in line to record in my studio. Neither do I play guitar (I am pretty good at bass though, that is why I have pro bass equipment). I want to get a decent amp so that people do not have to bring their 4x12s into the studio. So i know know ac30 is sweet but dude it is a GRAND. To much for biology majoring student :cool:
     
  20. droc8705

    droc8705 Active Member

    oh i know dude, it's a lot. and i wasn't trying to tell you to get an ac30 either. i'm just saying, find what you want and then get it if you know you're gonna use it for a long time. ebay also has in their advanced search a way to limit it to local auctions. try myspace classifieds and facebook too. there's a ton of stuff over there.
     

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