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Internet virus protection

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Davedog, Mar 23, 2004.

  1. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Dec 10, 2001
    Pacific NW
    Kurts internet device took a dump on him a few weeks ago....Its fixed now so he'll be back.
  2. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Jul 2, 2002
    77 Sunset Lane.
    Still here

    Yup, still alive! The worms and viruses tried to get me but I'm still standing.
  3. bgavin

    bgavin Guest

    Spybot, my friend. Spybot. It's freeware of the highest caliber, and I've already donated to the author, so down load a copy for yourself.

    Then disable all the "Install X on Demand" check boxes in your Internet Explorer.

    McAfee catches more than Norton, as of this writing.

    Darn. So much for my theory of bassists and handcuffs...

  4. David French

    David French Distinguished Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    bgavin, that program is amazing! Thanks for tipping us off to this one! I was blown away when that little info box popped up describing the details of a problem. I don't do much of anything on the internet, basically just email and RO, and even I had some fishy stuff going on behind my back. Thanks!
  5. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Jul 2, 2002
    77 Sunset Lane.
    I'll have Treena d load that. I just installed Norton 2004 ... @$50! But ther is a $20 rebate ... Thanks Bgavin! K.
  6. TeeME

    TeeME Guest

    Good to see you here Kurt. I'd like to call you sometime.
  7. bgavin

    bgavin Guest

    There are other staples that I routinely carry to client sites.

    BHO Demon
    Cool Web Shredder
    Hijack This

    Like all tools of this sort, you can shoot off your foot. Thinking is required. The way to win, is to not play. Don't say YES to any control that wants to install on your machine when you visit a web site. Exclusio is the Microsoft Windows Update control, as it is required to do updates on your machine.

    Microsoft opened the window to the Vampire and invited him in, by leaving the "Install on Demand" boxes checked. This is a carte-blanche "yes" to any piece of mal-ware that wants to install on your machine.

    The BHO (browser helper object) interface is the one provided by MS so AOL, SBC Global, et al, can commandeer your browser. It is also used by mal-ware for the same purpose.

    My last client yesterday, had 15,000 files infected with the MyDoom virus. A record for the most I've ever seen.

    I use Norton Systemworks 2003 also, but not the virus scanner portion. McAfee works better. The bulk of NSW is eye candy, and tends to be problematic, so I don't install it. I install only the DiskDoctor, WinDoctor, SpeedDisk, and Shell Extensions. You do this using the COMPLETE installation option, and disabling what you don't want installed.

    Anyway, my apologies if this thread was hijacked, please resume Hunting for Kurt.
  8. djui5

    djui5 Guest

    Also Neowatch is the best firewall I've ever used...and it comes with Neotrace that traces ip addresses of "intruders"
  9. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Jul 2, 2002
    77 Sunset Lane.
    You know the number ...
  10. Doublehelix

    Doublehelix Distinguished Member

    Oct 7, 2001
    Personally, I prefer Norton to McAfee...Had lots of problems with McAfee several years ago, and have never gone back. My work supplies me with a laptop computer every two years. Always has McAfee...I always remove it and install Norton!
  11. bgavin

    bgavin Guest

    I used to feel the same way, but in the last two months I've had four machines on the bench for catastrophic recovery and rebuild, as a consequence of Norton 2003 NAV failure.

    As of this writing, NAV 2003 consistently cannot detect a few damaging viruses that McAfee instantly picks off. I'm sure things will change again, but for now all my clients get Norton removed, and McAfee installed.

    Many of these virus have to be removed by running in Safe Mode, as they are so entrenched in the operating system they are not removeable in Normal mode.
  12. TeeME

    TeeME Guest

    Kurt, I don't have it due to a massive HD's Falure and non use of printing hard copies (live in learn eh?)

    Have you ever heard of bearing failure in an HD? Looks like I wore all 3 of the suckers out at about the same time. (Folks, use the power options> turn of hard disks after 2 hours/funtion :) )

    PM it to me if you will.
  13. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    Mar 17, 2003
    Norton failed me twice since the beginning of 2001 (Well, that, and the fact that I shared my desktop with three siblings who KNEW EVERYTHHING ABOUT TEH INTARNET!!!!!!!!1!). The second time, I did a virus scan with McAfee and nailed a couple of viruses that NAV missed. 'Twas too late for the system at that time, though.

    Right now I'm using a passworded laptop that absolutely no one else has access to, and haven't had any problems in almost a year. Ironically enough, I has Norton installed, but only because I get a year's free subscription with the laptop. Once that's up, I'm bailing ship.
  14. Tommy P.

    Tommy P. Well-Known Member

    Jan 10, 2002
    Kurt and Treena, sorry to hear about the comp problems. If I can help with anything, let me know.

    Here's the top of my list for net safety. Been keeping my machines (and many friends machines) well oiled and running with these. As more and more of us depend on doing biz on the net with our comps, it can be a major disaster when a comp goes down...

    Forget about Norton or McAfee, how about one of the best free virus protection proggies on the net? AVG anti virus. This is a well known and trusted program by most compgeek standards.
    Get it here: http://www.grisoft.com

    Disable windows media player scripting ( when you play certain malicious media files, hidden scripts can be run from windows media player) with WMP scripting fix here: http://www.wilderssecurity.net/wmpscriptingfix.html

    Of course, Spybot Search and Destroy here: Session 7 - The Mixes - Part 2

    Best firewall protection is also free. ZoneAlarm here: http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/home.jsp

    Here is a good resource: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/
    This and other links are listed in the Spybot links page here:
    Session 7 - The Mixes - Part 2

    Get a spare hard drive for the operating system, and store everything else on the other drive.

    There was some serious e-mail viruses going around many weeks ago. Its good practice to update virus definitions weekly or even more frequently.

    Good luck and happy surfing to all. :!:

    Tommy P.
  15. bgavin

    bgavin Guest

    The AVG is a real money maker for me. I've had two client machines that were entirely obliterated by viruses that AVG did not detect. I had to GHOST the hard disk images to my server to save their data, reinstall each machine fresh, then restore their data files. Two day's very profitable work.

  16. Tommy P.

    Tommy P. Well-Known Member

    Jan 10, 2002
    Have you personally used AVG ?

    You never know, what may have been at fault in a client situation, bgav.
    Unless its our own personal machines, I don't think for absolute sure that we can really tell what the circumstances are on somebody elses machine.

    For instance, settings for file types to be scanned, detecting macros, heuristics analysis ect, realtime e-mail scan, are user selectable. Of course this is because of CPU usage concerns, fast machines can leave the highest settings turned on all the time, but, by default setup they are off.

    And lastly and most importantly, that would be to perform regular updates, followed by a scan. Its the only way a virus program can be "educated" to the latest viruses, no matter who's program is used.

    I won't trash Norton publicly here, but we've certainly seen a concensus. MaCafee isn't free and isn't perfect either. None can be including AVG.

    But gav, I'd be interested in a survey or discussion of users from any respected geek community that doesn't recommend AVG. I have been out of the loop for a while. If there's something better, I want it.

  17. bgavin

    bgavin Guest

    I've been in the loop these last 31 years. All my clients are long-term relationships, so I've installed much client-owned software on their machines, including Norton AV 2003. I know how they are configured. The wild cards occur when a client removes the AV and replaces it with something else.

    I find McAfee more configurable, and that is what I run own my own systems. All options enabled except for Scan on Shutdown, and no heuristics.

    All I know about AVG is it appears to be free-ware, and it has provided me with several hundred dollars in revenue from rebuilding infected client machines. My workstations are far too valuable to trust their AV protection to an altruistic solution.
  18. golli

    golli Active Member

    Apr 17, 2003
    That was a good one :lol: .

    I was also wandering about the guy.
  19. WDavidW

    WDavidW Guest

    This is a cool thread! I like all the computer geek stuff.
  20. aaronwiles1

    aaronwiles1 Guest

    I prefer the McAfee/NAI products as far as PC's go. I do all the network admin stuff where I work, and it's saved my butt many times. You have to keep up w/ it though.

    Register your email w/ one of the AV companies so you get a notice as soon as one is found, they will usually have a quick fix/patch/update for the AV. I deal w/ it on a server/network level, and have to watch the entire network for this stuff daily.

    Although, the AV is great, I would also highly recommend using a firewall. Hardware preferred, but for the average home or small office, studio, etc, a software version works just as well.

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