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Is it worth learning a new DAW for a great career opportunity?

Discussion in 'Recording' started by ClarkJaman, Jul 14, 2012.

  1. ClarkJaman

    ClarkJaman Active Member

    I am a rookie producer/engineer who uses Cubase. I usually am hired for lower budget recording projects where I will do all the engineering, editing, mixing and sometimes mastering, and playing guitars and bass. I have been recording as a hobby for about 4 years, but only as a job for a little over a year. I do part time university/part time recording for most of the year, and full time recording in the summer.

    I recently had the fortune of making friends with a high profile music producer (let's call him Chris) who lives/works within walking distance of my house/studio. He has won a fistful of awards for his engineering and producing and his award winning studio is very sought after in the Canadian music scene. He has done very well for himself financially. The other night he invited me to check out his studio, and we really connected and ended up talking until almost 1am. He outsources some of his editing work to another guy in town, but it sounds like this other guy has a full time job and is moving away from recording or something like that. Every time I talk to Chris he mentions that he is looking for someone to do editing for him once in a while. I keep telling him that I am interested, but the problem is that I use Cubase, and he, of course, uses protools. He doesn't have anything against Cubase, but I can tell that he is hesitant about hiring me for editing when I am using a different DAW.

    Do you guys think that editing in cubase for a protools user would be a problem? How hard is it and how long does it take to transfer projects from Protools to Cubase and back again? I am even considering just buying a copy of protools 10 (educational for $300) and learning it just so I can work with Chris, because I think this could be a real break-in opportunity. Do you guys think it's worth it?
     
  2. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    It's a very small investment money wise. A fair investment in reading and watching some videos, not to mention some practice. If it will get you work, don't deny yourself. Consider it a great fortune that you have this connection. There are very few jobs in the music industry. Take the opportunity now before it passes you by. Believe me, you will regret it if you don't.
     
  3. ClarkJaman

    ClarkJaman Active Member

    That's basically what I have been thinking. :/ It's not so much the money as the time, seeing how I am booked solid for the next couple months and then going back to uni in September. I told Chris I would pull all nighters to do his editing though.
     
  4. ClarkJaman

    ClarkJaman Active Member

    I'm interested to hear your thoughts about transferring projects back and forth between Cubase and Protools
     
  5. Laurend

    Laurend Active Member

    If you know Cubase already, learning ProTools isn't a big deal. Most features are the same, just arranged in a different way in the user interface.
     
  6. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    It can be a pain. Make sure you are using BWAV files and that "should" simplify things. It's not the same as session files but at least you will have the tracks time stamped. Ideally PTX files would be the way to go.

    Most DAWs work in a similar way but Pro Tools can seem a bit convoluted at first. What PT has going for it is the amount of education that is available. The software comes with a getting started video but a lot of the more in depth functions need some reading if not a few courses. Not that Cubase is any different in that respect but I found it much more intuitive working in Cubase than Pro Tools.
     
  7. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    Yes it is! I was a hobbyist for 10 years (doing very low budget projects, including alot of free ones). after getting a college degree w/ focus on finance, i realized the hell i was facing for the next 25 years. Bank, suit, moral-less greed. Not my favorite plan for my living.
    So i went freelance. i got some luck like you have. people were willing to pay living wages for my sound system repair, live sound, and studio building capability.
    after 2 years i was introduced to a regional professional (tony), after expressing my thoughts on the current state of his build, i (re)built his new studio, and expressed interest in working there when it was done.
    Next thing ya know this guy Phil (look up new kids on the block/dropkick murphy's live credits if u want) started working there too.
    I evolved from porta studios, n-track, audition, i settled on the ed version of PT, and got used to it.

    Guess what, the studio owner used Digital Performer. So i did my best to become decent at the basic level first, cuz i jumped right into projects. While phil can be a real jerk, he gets good results, and has a particular workflow. So more than just manipulating the software, it's anticipating what he is gonna want.
    Don't be afraid to learn. Get the program, take as much time as you need, and get the job done. you will get more work if you do ok. don't be afraid to say "i'll have to check on that" and then have an answer the next day. Despite what some people feel, nobody knows everything.
    Forget about files transfers and all that, work out of your comfort zone for a bit.
    editing in PT, or any program, is pretty much the same 'game plan', just different keyboard shortcuts. Chris will be patient w/ you and acknowledge your using a new platform, while you get broken in, as long as there is honest, open communication. He may be demanding, but that what working all night/morning is for :)
    As long as your set-up allows you to be able to run the sessions w.out crapping you'll be fine man.
    You should contact the former edidting dude to get a feel for Chris's conventions, and ask Chris. The easiest way to fail, is to not try. Go for it dude.

    -kyle gushue

    BTW i'm still not as good as a want to be w/ DP, but i focused on the things that let sessions happen, and that has helped me get some work there. You'll be fine, this field is based on OTJT (on the job training), like alot of others. And ya, phil's method is to "loudly micro-manage" everything, so i take no personall offense, i want to be better to shut him up (lol).
    Do it man, if you say NO, you'll never get asked again... If you try and don't do well enough, I think Chris, or most others, would say ok, ya just need to get better at this, or that. Don't quit before you start.
     
  8. ClarkJaman

    ClarkJaman Active Member

    I think you guys are right. I should just go for it.
     
  9. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    Stop promoting your pathetic un-educational ad-driven site on old posts here Kern. you could help out by posting your current knowledge. which by they way is too embarrassing to you, to even post on your own site. Really man, we don't need that kinda crap at this site, it's one of the few where very knowledgeable, generous people, will give real good advice to me, and anyone else who has a problem and defines it. Lets keep it that way.

    I will now be honest/mean. Your site is awful. It shows no expertise. No cred. All ads. Start an ebay store bro, cuz you aren't gonna get any business from the community here, and that is clearly your intent. Tell your boss that you posted a bunch of links on RO and they failed.
     
  10. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    I thought about flagging his posts but honestly the links are somewhat self defeating. He's not really promoting much because his website basically points to other websites. It's too much work for most people. Easier just to ask the question here and have it answered. Not to mention that this is supposed to be DAW Pro Audio not home studio tips. That's a few clicks above but at any rate, most questions can be answered here and likely in more detail than having to search for it yourself on other sites. I kinda just let it pass under the radar. It's a small blip. No need to bring out the big guns IMHO.
     

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