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Is the POD sucsessful for any of you Pros?

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by Mad John, Jan 23, 2002.

  1. Mad John

    Mad John Active Member

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    OK, I'll admit it , I have both and I have had them for a year now. My studio has been on and off due to construction changes , so my time with the PODs has been scattered.

    At first I thought they were a God send , but my experience is that each time I aproch either , it is as if for the first time.

    I wonder if the modeling I am hereing just sounds better when going to tape.

    I have tried every method , except computer , thats not my bag , but even comming out of an amp I never seem to be satisfied that the PODs are emulateing what they claim.

    So I was curious as to how many of you deal with musicians that get great to astonishing results from the Bass or Guitar POPDs?

    Cheers,

    Mad John
    Zythum Studios

    "The present day Composer refuses to die!"
    Edgar Varese - 1921
     
  2. SlideMan

    SlideMan Guest

    It has never happened in my studio. Classic amps, classic mics, great mic pres, and super comps. Is there any other way?

    One guy brought in a POD in the early POD days, but we tried it and never used it.

    Ampeg B-15, 1962 Fender Bassman, Deluxe Reverb. Super Reverb, 1947 Gibson & a small Marshall. Old Sennheiser 421s, Shure SM57s. Hot rod LA 4s, 1176. Get the picture?

    Don't learn this lesson the hard way like your Mackie disaster.
     
  3. Mad John

    Mad John Active Member

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    That is not a lesson I need to lern my friend.

    I have been recording for 22 years now and I am quite aware of the classic amp sounds.

    My 1980 Fender Twin has been my little buddy all of these years. I use great amps in the studio myself , I was raising the qestion for thoses who might have had good examples of the POD being a sucsess in the studio.

    I see no reason for makeing a remark to me as if your elbowing me saying "Look kid , dont fool your self with the glowing lights , do your self a favor and buy the real deal!"

    I have never really recorded sucsessfully with the PODs and I never thought they sounded real.

    Anybody else?

    Mad John
    Zythum Studios

    "The present day Composer refuses to die!"
    Edgar Varese - 1921
     
  4. planet red

    planet red Active Member

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    I recorded a band who brought one in, but after he recorded one track with it, and then ABing it with my marshall jcm2000 he quickly made up his mind. We ended up using it on guitar once, just for a lo fi effect, but it rocked on drums, and doing weird stuff to vox and bass. I'm going to pick one up, but wont be using it for what its meant for.
     
  5. RandomGuest

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    I find them just about bearable..

    There seems to be a 'sweet spot' on the outputs of them, (is it 'never over 7' - I dunno....)

    I admit to a keen iterest in the next line 6 range the Vetta series...! I have had my eye on a head for a while..

    :)
     
  6. Mad John

    Mad John Active Member

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    So we agree they are not good enough for real tones in real recording situations.

    I feel the process effect is still not organic enough , but hell what do you expect from this sort of technology?

    It is what it is.

    Mad John
    Zythum Studios

    "The present day Composer refuses to die!"
    Edgar Varese - 1921
     
  7. davemc

    davemc Guest

    Well I have the Flextone Combo(pod with speakers), and it does not beat my Soldano, or Marshall. Although it has some usefull sounds that they both cannot do. I find that recording with the speakers makes a difference.

    With Ampfarm in TDM I find the pre used to record the guitar has an greater effect on the sound then a clean input.

    Although I use my Bass Pod all the time since the day I got it, I get great Bass sounds from it. Well better then a stock bass amp. If some one has a nice SWR or mesa I will still mic it. Although it is better then a di or a peavey/trace type amp.
     
  8. Hack

    Hack Active Member

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    I've used it for crazy vocal stuff a lot.

    I did do a almost freebe demo for a band where we used it for all the guitars. All the drums were a D4 and the bass was just DI. It came out to be a very clean demo that setup in about 5 min. And has worked very good for the bands booking agent. Everybody says it sounds great.

    I haven't listened to it since we did it.
     
  9. UTS

    UTS Guest

    Mmhh, I guess it all depends on what music you are going to record. I have gotten really good results with the POD for heavy, downtuned rythm guitars, but then I tweaked it alot (Sounddiver, EQing) - it worked very well. But you must really take your time with this thing...it's not good for clean guitars though - very noisy and spitty, but great for layers of heavy rythm guitars.
    On the other hand, I am really a fan of this line 6 stuff...I also have a Flextone XL in the studio and in my opinion this thing sounds awesome and blows any Marshall (hate em!) away....but, YMMV, as always and I know a lot will disagree.

    Best,

    Markus
     
  10. Uncle E

    Uncle E Active Member

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    Does anyone else think that the Pod is surprisingly noisy? Even though not everyone is fanatical about noise, so much seems unnecessary considering how quiet (& better sounding) the Roland VG-8 is. btw, did anyone get to hear the bass version of the VG-8 at NAMM?

    The Behringer Pod-alike is supposed to have 26db better snr with the free ver. 2.0 upgrade, too bad it's so damn ugly. ;)
     
  11. SlideMan

    SlideMan Guest

    Excuse me for trying to steer you in the right direction. I don't see anything patronizing or condescending in my post.
     
  12. Mad John

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    It's ok Jeff , sorry , I took your comment the wrong way!

    I agree about useing the Bass POD!

    It seems to work well to tape and is not as confussing , or time consumming as the 2.0!

    I am still trying to find the right set up for the guitar POD.

    The main ins of a Roland JC 120 works the best so far. I have tried tube amps (both in the effects return and in the Preamp section of the amps) and they seem to not work at all well woth the PODs.

    Non tube amps are part of the key , but you would be hard pressed to truly get organic sounding tones with out the help of certain distortions.

    Like it has already been stated , the clear tones on the guitar PODs are really not that good , at least for me , but I do keep trying.

    Every day is the first day! :D ;) :confused:

    Mad John
    Zythum Studios

    "The present day Composer refuses to die!"
    Edgar Varese - 1921
     
  13. bassmac

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    Don't discount the POD until you've spent some "quality" time with her!

    If you plug your POD in direct and compare it to a miked Marshall into a good pre, you're likely to say "what the ^#$% was that"...like I did.

    If you use SoundDiver, and run your POD into an API / Neve & FATSO chain, you'll likely to say "Marshall who"...like I did.

    Extra Bonus Tip: Stick a 57/Api in front of your monitor, crank it up, and record your POD track to another track...now do your comparison!

    :cool:
     
  14. coldsnow

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    I use a POD all the time (reluctantly at first) but now love it. We have an older Fender Twin Reverb, Fender Vibralux, and a Peavey Classic 50, as well as some other Fender etc amps, and I still use the POD often. Especially for light or heavy distorted guitar, always with my favorite distortion pedal before it (Tube Screamer, Rat, XXL) and a quality mic pre and or compressor after it. Sounds good to me.
     
  15. Mad John

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    Hi Coldsnow ,

    I have a Peavey Classic 50 watt head too!

    Are you saying you use the POD thru that sometimes?

    When you use the Pre/Comp is that micking tech or direct?

    I originaly tried useing the POD into a Manley pre and it quikly took me off that route.

    Finding the right personel techniques for micking the amp with the POD is something I still desire greatly!

    Mad John
    Zythum Studios

    "The present day Composer refuses to die!"
    Edgar Varese - 1921
     
  16. Dan-O

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    I've gotten great results with the POD. Using many of the above mentioned techniques. Nothing wrong with the POD. I love tools.
    I prefer the real thing though. Always.


    Extra Bonus Tip: Stick a 57/Api in front of your monitor, crank it up, and record your POD track to another track...now do your comparison!

    bassmac

    Have you tried this with a vocal track?
    Either re-tracking an existing one or have the vocalist put on the phones and sing in front of the monitors. Once you get the distance right it's pretty useful. I did a voice over this way once. Worked great.

    Dan-O
     
  17. sjoko

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    Like always, horses for causes, sometimes PODs work well (especially the bass one), the guitar one works well as an alternative sometimes.

    We have access to muuch vintage gear, from brown Vox' to Orange to Marshalls etc. but, all seems to be gathering dust once we got our hands on a UniValve, which everyone now seems to prefer over anything else - period. It got so bad that people refuse to leave without one, so we now always have one in stock to sell on :)
     
  18. bassmac

    bassmac Guest

    Nope Dan-O, haven't tried it yet...but I will.

    BTW: I checked this new "Recording" Rectifier out at NAMM and it sounded killer.
     
  19. Dan-O

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    bassmac

    Looks very cool! Could be the total winner for many a project. Was it flexible in the tone department or just slight variations of a one trick pony? As usual for Boogie it looks solid for battle.
    I did have had a chance to hear the Mesa Formula pre (some time ago)which was sort of marketed as a direct recording unit. It was just OK. Nothing to right home about IMHO.

    BTW, I found this today floating through the net. I love this kind of stuff. All point to point, only 33watts, only 1 lbs. and a foot switch. Really cool. If it sounds good I might want one.

    http://www.musictoyz.com/palm.htm

    Dan-O
    Also, anyone out there using a Lovetone "Brown Source"?

    Also, Also, I had a opportunity to give a listen to the newest "Stereophonics" release in Tower Records the other day. The first tune (don't remember what it's called) has a fantastic brown buttery guitar tone on it that I would love for a tune or two I'm working on. Any clues on set-up, signal path, etc? Maybe someone read something or worked on it. Thanks.
     
  20. Mad John

    Mad John Active Member

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    Are you referring to:

    "Stereophonic Space Sound Unlimited"?

    That is some wild music and James Bond style guitar! I found out about this a few days ago and have yet to check out this 3 Volume release.

    Personaly , I would stay away from the Boogies for direct recoring , already got in trouble in that department with them in the early 90s with their Preamp Twin that was designed for recording.

    Pure crap and nobody seemed to like them , oh well.

    Mad John
    Zythum Studios

    "The present day Composer refuses to die!"
    Edgar Varese - 1921
     

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