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Just curious

Discussion in 'Recording' started by sioux, Aug 5, 2003.

  1. sioux

    sioux Guest

    Hi....

    I'm just curious. What can't they make Romplers to operate like analogs, ie, lots of buttons and knobs. With Romplers you have to do digital editing through screens, eventually getting to the waveform to edit it with numbers. Seems like it's all the same thing to me, even though Romplers are sample based sound sources. You still go in and do the same kind of editing or creating of sounds.

    Just wondering.

    Cheers,
    Sioux
     
  2. Nate Tschetter

    Nate Tschetter Active Member

    Howdy

    Its mainly a cost concern. The controllers and the infrastructure they require plus the real estate they take up is less of a priority than more sample ROM, polyphony, effects and patches.
     
  3. sioux

    sioux Guest

    Thank you very much! I've been trying to figure that out! :)

    Cheers,
    Sioux
     
  4. Nate Tschetter

    Nate Tschetter Active Member

    Howdy

    I should say, this is an issue depending on the market direction for the instrument. Of course, Access markets differently than Roland (for example).
     
  5. UncleBob58

    UncleBob58 Active Member

    You can use a controller such as the Phat Boy.

    http://www.keyfax.com/keyfax/phatboy/phatboy1.html

    I wish that you could assign the controller knobs, but it's better than nothing.

    You can also check out the JL Cooper FaderMaster Professional MIDI Automation Controller.

    http://www.jlcooper.com/pages/fdrmstrpro.html

    Pricey but nice.

    Uncle Bob

    :p:
     
  6. sioux

    sioux Guest

    Good point. Do you consider the Access Virus a Rompler too? Seems like th VAs try to emulate everything about the analog.

    Sioux
     
  7. Nate Tschetter

    Nate Tschetter Active Member

    Howdy

    I thought the Virus was a modelling synth. Whatever it is, its really good at what it does.

    In my previous post, I should've been more specific. A very specifically targetted synth like a Nord Lead, Virus, Andromeda can have a more specific control surface than a Triton, Motif or Fantom.
     
  8. Mario-C.

    Mario-C. Active Member

    Hmm Nope (answering sioux's question), romplers have samples stored in ROM memory, just like a sampler only they keep data in different memory chips (the ROMs) so you won't lose it when you turn it off, VAs and physical modeling synths generate sound by resonating complex mathematical models in real time...

    btw the Roland JD800 is a ROM synth with lots of sliders but it was discontinued
     
  9. sioux

    sioux Guest

    Hi Uncle Bob! You know, I checked out Phat Boy but a friend of mine totally talked me out of it. Of course, he is a programmer so the PB was stupid to him. Regarding all of that, I wonder how much true capacity of the Rompler you lose by using a device like PB. I understand that some devices do more than others like perhaps the FadeMaster. I like this idea though. I feel that if I have to stop and scroll through screens and digitally program a sound, by the time I'm finished I've forgotten why I was there. Unless of course you do your programming one day and create music another.

    Thanks Mario and Nate. Good clarification on the modelling and sample based ROM. That's very clear.

    I still bet if the Rompler people would make their synths operate like analogs people would love them a lot more. :) I would. I bet they will do it that way in time too!

    Cheers,
    Sioux
     
  10. Nate Tschetter

    Nate Tschetter Active Member

    Howdy

    I bet they won't. Its too expensive and knobs don't sell as many keyboards as Wave ROM size, polyphony, stereo effects and most importantly, price point. I mean, for every knob or controller they put on an instrument they have to devote processor power, components, circuit board space, etc. If they have a few "soft controls" that can be assigned to do anything, they get around this.

    You should check out the Novation Remote 25. It has shitloads of knobs, sliders and buttons. You can program each one of them to do whatever your TG is capable of (over MIDI0. They can send out control change, pitch bend, sysex, aftertouch plus MMC. Not only that but you can then name all those controllers so when you move something, _what_ it does pops up in the display. You can save and recall your assignments in a template.

    I have one, I dig it. Great for controlling softsynths.
     
  11. sioux

    sioux Guest

    Hey, thanks. I'll check that Novation thingy out. I do need to find a solution that works for me.

    Cheers,
    Sioux
     
  12. Todzilla

    Todzilla Active Member

    Marketing.

    Most synth purchasers want to select a sound and play. Most synth purchasers don't want to tweak.

    Sad but true.
     
  13. Mario-C.

    Mario-C. Active Member

    Sioux,
    Do you really need an extra controller ? most rompler synths usually have the same controllers assigned to typical parameters, like filter cutoff= controller 74, resonance=controller 71 and so on, you could use your A6 to control your other synths, in the A6 ribbon controller and wheels controller numbers are assignable and programmable per program, with the latest OS update the A6's knobs transmit midi controller data, it will require some tweaking but depending on the rompler you are trying to control it could work pretty good
     
  14. sioux

    sioux Guest

    Oh, that's a thought! I definitely will look into that. What a good idea. Thanks. :)

    Sioux
     
  15. popcorn

    popcorn Guest

    I hope a lot of nice soft synth and samplers could be controled via A6 knobs!

    Regards! ;)

    Donny
     
  16. sioux

    sioux Guest

    Hi Donny :) Hi Nelly :)
     
  17. rufussewell

    rufussewell Guest

    I'm new to this forum and am a huge Kurzweil fan. I use my Kurzweil K2600S in the way you suggest. It has tons of sliders, ribbons, buttons and foot controllers. All of them can be asigned to control any aspect of the synth or effects. It is not only a sampler, but a virtual analog and can do EM and additive and just about any other type of synthesis. I also use it's many controllers to control my soft synths. With the midi learn function it's a snap. I'm sure you could do the same with your A6.
     
  18. rufussewell

    rufussewell Guest

    ooops, I meant FM, not EM.
     
  19. Ethan Winer

    Ethan Winer Active Member

    Sioux,

    > What can't they make Romplers to operate like analogs <

    I'm surprised nobody mentioned what I think is the most obvious explanation: Sample playback synths are mainly used to emulate real instruments. So while it's useful to be able to control the volume and maybe filter cutoff frequency in real time, it's not as important to be able to mangle an oboe or cello section with a zillion parameters as is common with analog style synths.

    --Ethan
     
  20. sioux

    sioux Guest

    Hi Ethan,

    That is a very good point. I guess I was thinking about something else. I now have my Triton Studio for sale but in using it I noticed that to make new sounds, you end up going through lots of screens to get to the oscillators which you then manipulate with numbers, etc. With the analog, you just turn a knob. So I was wondering why they didn't make creating new sounds easy like that on Romplers. In the end, you do basically the same things to make new sounds except on the Triton it's like programming a database. I'm not just picking on the Triton. I'm sure most Romplers are like that which is what prompted my question.

    I'm sure my view point is shared by a minority of people but it seems crazy to pay $3k for a set of presets and even crazier to pay that for a very difficult way to make a new sound. (The Triton obviously has a lot going for it that I'm not mentioning here for the purpose of this conversation.)

    Also, many of the sounds on the Romplers are not acoustic and there are some really great ones on the Triton. I know they were created using the internal samples but to make equally good sounds is something that is not easy to do. Then again, when I hear an analog sound, I basically know what to do to get it since I used to work with analogs decades ago. :)

    Cheers,
    Sioux
     

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