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Kick drum mic

Discussion in 'Drums' started by Kuzan, Oct 17, 2005.

  1. Kuzan

    Kuzan Guest

    Hi Guys
    Recently I recorded drums for a rock band with some rented mics and the results of the kick were shocking.
    I used 57's on the snare and toms, Audix overheads and a beta 52 for the kick drum.

    I now want to but a kick drum mic so I don't have to rent, which do you suggest. The kind of stuff I record is mostly rock/pop oriented. I also record djembes, congas and floor toms from time to time for a percussion band.

    Thanks
    Kuzan
     
  2. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    The beta 52 is a kick drum mic. It is a nice kick drum mic. You be able to get a nice kick drum sound with it. That is all.
     
  3. Boltino

    Boltino Guest

    You might also check out the AKG D112. I prefer it over the Beta 52 (the Beta 52 is a great mic though).

    Wes
     
  4. CoyoteTrax

    CoyoteTrax Well-Known Member

    I'll 3rd or 4th the 52, it's a great mic. The D112 is an obvious choice too. Great mic.

    Believe it or not I'veh ad great results on Djembe, Klong Yaw, and Bass cabs with a CAD KBM412 you can steal cheap most places. It's a really decent alternative. Don't let the price fool you.
     
  5. Wooly

    Wooly Guest

    Some of my not so obvious favorites are:

    Cad E100 (I really like this "guy" on kick- Paul from Suma here in Cleveland used it on one of my kicks and since then I have adopted it in my project studio.

    Audix D6 (well, this mic has made the "big time" now I suppose) and I like the scooped/sticky sound it gives me for a more modern kick sound.

    I have the D112 and EVRE20 to me the sound more dated but that is ok also. The Beta 52 is a great mic. I don't own one but I've had it used on my set in live applications and quite frankly "it ROCKED"!
     
  6. Twood

    Twood Active Member

    I really like my Beta 91..


    http://www.shure.com/microphones/models/beta91.asp
     
  7. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    I think the point is he is asking to get a kick drum mic when he already has a perfectly good one. It's not the mic that needs to changed. It's the mic placement, kick drum tuning and/or the drummer.
     
  8. Boltino

    Boltino Guest

    Actually, he asked . . .

    Wes
     
  9. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    another vote for the d112
     
  10. Kuzan

    Kuzan Guest

    Actually I did ask.....for recommendations to purchase a mic for kick drums...

    Thanks for the feedback. Many of you really like the beta 52. I'll give it another try. I have read some killer reviews on the D6 though, so I am very tempted to go that rout.
     
  11. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    I have the D6. It's a good kick drum mic but I wouldnt call it better than the 52.
     
  12. CoyoteTrax

    CoyoteTrax Well-Known Member

    I would recommend the D112, or another mic designed for kick/bass cabs.

    The reason why, is that you're also tracking hand percussion like djembe and congas where the low freq's at high spl's are carrying some very musical harmonics that should be captured as accurately as possible by a LD Dynamic mic that's designed for that. IMO you'll get a much better (harmonic) signal on the low "Dooms" the djembe produces than you get from the beta 52. the will go for frame drums like Bodhran, Native American, and all the other whacky stuff Percussionists show up with.

    Just my opinion.
     
  13. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    There are MANY mics which make great kick-drum sounds.

    Here's a list that in choosing one would simply be all about choice as one is not 'better' than another....simply different.

    D112 (basketball bounced in an empty gym)

    ATM25 (tight firm lows, takes EQ well)

    Shure Beta 52 (a cross between Audix D6 and ATM25)

    Audix D6 (instant modern kick sound...set it forget it...one trick pony)

    Sennheiser MD421 (more of a 'tone machine'...better for not so heavy a foot)

    Shure SM57 (hasnt EVERYBODY used one of these yet???)

    Shure SM7 (better on male vocals...really good for jazz drums)

    Audix D4 ( This is what Audix had in mind for live but everybody wanted more body...so....D6...I LOVE it up close to the beater..not much better for 'click')

    Studio Projects B3 (HEY! Whuts that condenser doin in here? You gotta try it to believe it...out in front...a mic to use with a 'click' mic...)

    Neumann U47fet ( just thought I'd throw that one in.....ungodly expensive....unreal sound....)

    Sennheiser MD409 (had two of em during the 'hair band 'days...this is a serious kick drum mic...no fake or hyped lowend...tight response...handles transients like a champ....you could EQ the crap outta em and never get to a bad spot...why did I sell em???) money....sh*t

    Theres more but these are all I know about ...off hand..



    Did I mention the MOST important part of kickdrum micing technique???





















    TUNE THE DRUM PROPERLY
     
  14. SeniorFedup

    SeniorFedup Guest

    Why hasnt anybody brought up the RE-20 i just ordered one.
     
  15. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    good point, good mic. Its an 'oldie' though and sometimes they get overlooked by the newer stuff - but its certainly still a 'goodie'
     
  16. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    The RE-20 and the Sennheiser 421 also make great "other percussion" mics (floor toms, djembe, congas,etc). I will NEVER sell my RE20's. I don't think that they sound "dated".
    Years ago,I watched the road crew for Zeppelin take a brand new set of Ludwigs out of the box, right onstage, and set it up. They spent almost AN HOUR (!) tuning JUST the kick. 15 minutes on everything else...the moral is: Tune da drum!
     
  17. 3dchris

    3dchris Active Member

    nothing beats AKG D112 on kick.. and I mean: NOTHING!

    chris
     
  18. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    I have a NEW favorite kick mic. The Sennheiser E901.
    It's quite simply F***ing awesome!
    Only tried it live so far, but it boots everything else I've ever used (RE20, D112, Beta52, M88 etc.) out of the room.
     
  19. Vince Jaeger

    Vince Jaeger Guest

    Backed.

    Tuning and beater type affect the sound more than anything.
     
  20. reptilealien

    reptilealien Guest

    Another choice.

    Check out the Heil Sound PR40. Sorta like the EV RE20 but a bit more "modern" if you're worried about sounding dated.
     

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