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Let's talk about BS

Discussion in 'Recording' started by stickers, Apr 5, 2006.

  1. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    I've been sending out emails to local studio in regards to job openings, not one has replied. That's BS.

    Please feel free to add on...
     
  2. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    That's not BS...it's the way it is. Welcome to the audio industry. Go ahead...TRY to make a living off of it!

    Most studios don't have any job openings. But they may be willing to take on an assistant/intern.

    If you are looking for a paying job, you could be looking for quite a while. However if you are willing to intern, you might be able to find some work a bit quicker. Just know...studios are inundated with intern requests. There are far more people trying to get into the industry then there are studios that can hire them.

    You might get better results via snail mail. Send them your resume. As far as jobs go, people like to have a piece of paper in their hands rather than read an email resume
     
  3. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    paper is over-rated.
     
  4. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    And i'm a super cool dude.
     
  5. jcnoernberg

    jcnoernberg Guest

  6. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    Like I have said in the past, if you want to make a job doing audio, you generally have very few choices. You can work in theater doing live sound. You can work for a church doing live sound. You can purchase a PA system and hire yourself out doing live sound. You can apply to all of your local television stations to do live talking head shows like the news. You can call yourself a producer and try to find a young band, nurture them, record and mix them, try to sell the product? Or if you're lucky enough, you might meet a rich friend who wants to start a studio. It's not easy even if you are good. I prostitute myself to work in television where most people don't know good sound from bad sound they only know sound from no sound. I try to give people the best aural jobs possible even if the content sucks.

    Sound Prostitute
    Ms. Remy Ann David
     
  7. JoeH

    JoeH Well-Known Member

    "Please feel free to ad on."

    Ok, since you asked..... Several times a year, (when the Fall, Spring and Summer sessions end), I get cookie-cutter emails from students who are finishing up Audio Schools and the like. Sadly, most of them are even worded identically. My guess is that these come from thier "Job Placement 101" promised in the sale brochure when they signed up for the school. No doubt, this is what you're up against. Your email may have been one of dozens he already got this week alone.

    To be fair, I realize that what I/my studio does is not like many other normal studios do (if there IS such a thing as "normal"), and it's not surprising that if we DO get to the point of talking, a lot of folks fall off the curve pretty fast. We're not a "normal" facility in any sense of the word, and once they know we're not holding sessions with famous rockers or rappers, the curve dips pretty steeply.

    When I'm hiring, or even thinking about hiring, I consider the whole profile of the person seeking work. Is the email or cover letter well written? (Yes, spelling counts, too....at least around here, when it's critical that someone knows the difference between a concerto and a symphony, and knows how to properly pronounce Bach and Mozart, etc.) Has the person bothered to compose something that may catch MY eye, for MY market? (Again, cookie-cutter/template cover letters are sometimes even offensive and you can spot 'em a mile away.)

    Also in the blend is what they look like - clothing, hair, tatts and all - for when they'll be interacting with a client. Don't kid yourself; Looks DO count, at least in my little corner of the world. Slobs and freaks don't cut it around here....dress that way on your own time, but you're not going to go out on a gig representing MY biz. (Do we need to even mention hygene as well? nahhh........ :twisted: )

    IMHO, it's also not getting them anywhere telling me they'd "Like to stop by to see my facility and speak with me as soon as possible....etc. etc." That's rude and pushy, among other things. Most studios have a lot going on, and that part - the in-person interview - will happen when it's supposed to happen. No need to overstate the obvious.

    Let's face it; this industry is NOT a cold-call, hard sell, anonymous cover letter kind of biz. That's actually counterproductive sometimes; it just doesn't work that way. It's not like a General Motors or a Kraft Foods Human resource Dept. looking for an employee with x years experience in Chemistry or Personnel Mgt to fill a job/cube in Dubuque Iowa. Most studios are 3-10 employees, at the most, run by a small biz owner, who's probably doing 100 things at any time during the week; changing hats as fast as you can say: Multitasker-burnout.

    During the busy season, I often put in 18 hr days, with intense periods of mixing, editing, phone calls to clients, phone calls to loved ones (usually too brief) and attempts at sleep, eating, etc. In the middle of all this, whoa...in comes an unsolicited cloned cover letter from someone who's clearly just going down the list of every studio in my area looking for work. How do you THINK I'm going to react? Jump for joy at being the 12th "victim" today?

    Now don't get me wrong, plenty of places - including mine- are occasionally hiring, but it's not always the cut and dried process you're hoping for. It's often sporadic work. Very often, if I see a person is looking for the whole enchilada - full time work with bennies and the like - I don't even respond. Better to not let them get their hopes up here!

    I can't offer full time to most folks, and even when I do, it's after a fairly serious break-in process of smaller gigs, or temporary help, etc. No one wants to risk someone untried, untested and green on even the most basic of projects. Not only does one have to worry about client relations (and damaged rep should the new hire prove to be trouble), there's also in-house issues like theft, housekeeping, and general behavior/work habits. It's a lot more than just mics and tape machines now, entire LANs and computer networks are often at stake. One virus download or pornsite malware, and one COULD go down in flames, fast.

    Breaking in the most basic job involves time and patience, and again - the average overworked small studio owner already has his/her hands quite full, esp at this time of year. As much as I need help on projects, it's very tricky letting someone new deal with a client I've had for 15 years. Again, this biz is NOT like running the register at 7-11 or the stockroom at Walmart.

    I know it's hard to start out in the first place - the chicken or the egg situation - but in this biz, it's best to have MANY connections, including some of your own projects. It's great to know as many folks in your area in your line of work as possible. Friendly competition is a good thing, and if word gets around about you and what you do - and the manner in which you do it - a good reputation will open a lot more doors for you than simple cold calls with unsolicited emails and template cover letters.

    It's good to know people - networking, as they call it - so that you WILL know when a studio is hiring, what the owner/boss is into, what they want in a tech, and if they can get to know you by reputation before taking a chance hiring you. Sometimes you do a session in a studio as an outside engineer/producer and get to know the owner that way. Nothing works better than showing what you can do ON the job, in person. It's probably no consolation to you right now, but many people in this biz have found great jobs and great connections when they're NOT looking for them - while doing other stuff.

    I got a call as recently as two hours ago from a friend, about a very green but highly motivated individual who THINKS he wants to work in this biz. (He's 24 and still hasn't found a job elsewhere, they said.) My response was: Go to our website, read what we're all about, then write me an email with the name of the person who referred him to me, and we'll see where it goes.

    To be honest, I DO sometimes hire from cover letters and/or emails (twice in the last 3 yrs), but these were so well written and spot-on, they got my attention, were focused on what I needed at the time, and were NOT cookie cutter emails. They had good, one-page resume's with them, and there wasn't a hint of BS anywhere. One person had great math and mechanical skills (and knew the difference between a log and cosine fade envelope!) and the other came from an A/V Technical School.

    Both have other work in the area as well, with other audio-related gigs. (Radio, TV, cable, etc.) I hire them as-needed, for day jobs and fill ins, and it works out great for all of us.

    I don't want to throw cold water on anyone looking for a one-shot, full time, walk-in and go job in the audio field, but it's rare you're going to find that in todays "Studio" Market. You may find it with a place like NFL Films, (in Mt. Laurel NJ) or Broadway Video/TV (in NYC), or even at your local cable company's facilities, but otherwise, it's going to take a LOT of hustling (the good kind!) and creativity.

    Unlike a job at Aetna or the Governement, NO ONE is going to look out for you in this line of work. Be ready to accept that and deal with it, or find a different way to make a living.
     
  8. CoyoteTrax

    CoyoteTrax Well-Known Member

    True story. Everything has it's own time and it's purpose Stickers. Got my fingerz crossed for you dude.
     
  9. Reggie

    Reggie Well-Known Member

    Several years ago, I did a mailing to about 10 area studios. I think I may have gotten one reply--no openings available. So that set me in motion to try and slowly but surely put them out of business. :twisted:

    I think email would be inappropriate, unless you are just looking for a no-pay job; or unless there is an actual job opening and email is the preferred method of responding.

    good luck to you
     
  10. Joe, for being such a busy season and not having any time, you sure seemed to have plenty of time to write lengthy response to this. I'm not trying to be a jerk. It's just something I thought about while reading.

    I 'accidently' did put a studio here out of business recently, but he had it coming. The douche was recording in his living room with a digi002 and 2 57's with a C1000 as his "money" vocal mic. He was charging 100 bones per song for the most horrible sounding garbage I have ever heard. Apparantly people decided that his 'talk' about how great he was eventually wore of when the bands recieved their dub they just payed a grand for.
     
  11. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    You put a guy out of business. you must have some serious skills.
    well, amish lets hear some samples of your work?

    here's a couple of clips of my most recent work...

    http://www.jetrecording.com/BLG3.mp3

    http://www.jetrecording.com/BLG5.mp3
     
  12. CoyoteTrax

    CoyoteTrax Well-Known Member

    Damn Stickers! Good work.

    The first tune is aggressive and progressive with a nice growl on the rythm guitars but the second tune is very very cool. The vocals sound really nice and I like the guitar riff alot. Are you using your Brick on the vocals on that one?
     
  13. Nirvalica

    Nirvalica Guest

    Stickers, the reason your not getting any job offers is because people in your town hire like 15 yr old girls to do their work.


    All kidding aside, you tracks sound really good. Well done.
     
  14. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    Mainly Mackie Onyx pres on those tracks and a couple of 002 pres.

    Those tracks are a live multi track recording in the bands practice space... excluding the vocal over dub in the second clip. :shock:
     
  15. Damn, stickers. I want my drums (toms, especially) to sound like that first song. What gear did you use? Of course, the whole drummer + drums variable is there too, but I'm curious as to what you do to mic your drums, and gear used.

    Edit: Checked your site. I'm surprised they're audix mic's. I've heard mixed reviews about them. Especially the D6. How do you like the Tapco monitors?
     
  16. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    Mics Used:
    Mics:
    nt5s overheads
    D1 snare
    D2 hi tom
    D2 floor tom
    D6 Kick (where did you see these bad reviews?)
    D4 Bass Bass Guitar
    SM57 Guitar Left
    421 Guitar Right
    K2 Vox

    Onyx Mackie Pres and one Digi 002 on E.Bass cuz ran out of mackie pres.

    I mixed ITB using my Tapcos and Sony MD7506 headphones..I go back and forth between them.
     
  17. They weren't bad reviews, per se, just that the D6 wasn't their cup of tea. So it was just subjective. I def. want to try one out.
     
  18. JoeH

    JoeH Well-Known Member

    amishsixstringer wrote: Joe, for being such a busy season and not having any time, you sure seemed to have plenty of time to write lengthy response to this. I'm not trying to be a jerk. It's just something I thought about while reading.

    No problem, Amish. I'm glad you waded through all that, anyway. :cool: It WAS long, but I tend to type fast, what can I say? The new bag of Ethiopian coffee my assistant picked up in Africa last week sure helped a lot. (At least I THINK it was coffee....hmmmmmmm.)

    Stickers, you've done some GREAT stuff, really man. It was a pleasure listening to both clips. Loved the vocals in the second clip - liked it enough to want to hear the rest of the song. (Is it commerically available?) It sounds like REAL music, not crushed or overly compressed to the point of insanity.

    I see you're a man after my own heart - Mackie Onyx pre's are a helluva lot better than most gear snobs think. If you can get THIS kind of sound out of the gear you've got, you're on the right track, seriously.

    And I agree with Reggie's plan - getting serious enough to want to put your competition out of business someday. That's a great motivator, and I used it myself for a lot of years, but eventually came to realize that I had to please ME more than anyone else. No one else matters. And don't worry about those who wont hire you. If your'e good enough, it'll be their loss sooner or later, and you'll be looking down on THEM.

    Stickers, if you're ever down this way, look me up. Your stuff is really good, and you're gonna be fine, I have no doubt. Hang in there.
     
  19. Am I the only person that thinks this tune I'm listening to is an average recording of a completely forgettable song?

    Seriously, the song is boresville. I dunno if those guys gig much, and I'm sure when they do their g/f's love the emoting going on. But that song ain't in danger of rushing up any charts.

    The recording is...meh, in my opinion. If I was going to point out specific examples, the drums get totally buried on less than optimal playback equipment. The vocal sound change is a little jarring to me, I'm wishing for something to cut the edge off it. Cymbals sound fairly clear, though. Lot of stuff sitting in the midrange.

    But I've heard plenty worse.

    Reason you ain't gettin any love from local studios? Your attitude.

    "I sent out a buncha emails, and I ain't got no job YET?? That's BS!"

    Why? Cuz you're the only knobjockey in Mass that can figure out to use a 421 on guitar A and a 57 on guitar B?

    JoeH was pretty on in his post. I'd add the suggestion to come the hell down off your high horse and maybe start trying to build some relationships in the local community rather than expect to get a job because you send a couple emails. Gigs happen, relationships are built. Get over yourself.

    ~S

    PS- please don't make me listen to that band again
     
  20. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    TheRealPelletgun,

    I am afraid you will likely be hearing that band again.

    They are signed to Columbia and will be heading into the studio with producer Matt Squire.

    When will you be posting examples of your work on recording.org?

    Your friend always and forever,

    Stickers

    PS - I didnt force you to listen to that band in the first place, assclown
     

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