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Listening To Storage Listening tests reveal significant sound quality differences between various di

Discussion in 'Computing' started by audiokid, Jan 6, 2015.

  1. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hificritic/vol5_no3/listening_to_storage.htm

    That does it, I'm investing in Hard Drives. :D

     
  2. Reverend Lucas

    Reverend Lucas Active Member

    So... they're serious about this, right?
     
  3. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I think so. I'm not surprised . I mean, VOVOX Cable, $100,000 speaker for vinyl records . Now this.:rolleyes:
     
  4. pan60

    pan60 Active Member

    I read that the other day and some of the wording used to describe what they where supposedly hear sounded like BS to me?
    I do think there is a potential possibility for differences in the build quality of a drive and maybe that will reflect on what we are able to hear? But I think it could be more definitively described and document with a scope?
    I know it is often difficult to definitively describe some type of mojo, but thats not the case here.
     
  5. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I've always thought an audio drive either gets it right or produces an error. That there really is no gray area. Or, at best wouldn't you hear a click of some kind if something was missing. It seems bazaar.
     
  6. pan60

    pan60 Active Member

    Over my head for sure but thats what I would think.
     
  7. Reverend Lucas

    Reverend Lucas Active Member

    I suppose SSDs have the advantage over hard drives in that they don't have any moving parts to make noise. Beyond that, there's a whole lot of bunk in this article. You're right, Chris - bits are bits. They're either read properly or something's faulty.

    'Alien' sounding is pretty creative, though, I'll say.
     
  8. Paul999

    Paul999 Active Member

    I am surpried that you think this is bunk Chris. I think its bunk. My understanding Chris is that you hear a slow and steady degridation in audio in Daws as you add more and more plugins even when they are on but not doing anything. Why could this happen but audio being played from different media not effect things?

    This is truly a question and not meant at all to be snide. Your system of thinking is interesting to me.
     
  9. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    You are general stating something that is far from anything I've ever said quite like that. But, if you don't think cheap coded plug-ins, or DAW's that are effected by coding conflicts hold true to that at times. what can I say...
    Strange comment
     
  10. Paul999

    Paul999 Active Member

    I am definitaly not meaning to misquote you. I was referring to a conversation we had had a while back where I tested a rediclous amount of plugins on one copy of a file and none on another and they completly nulled. I can't seem to search back far enough in threads to find it. :( I'm not meaning to attack you and maybe I've totally misunderstood what your position is.
     
  11. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Well the way you put it, in this topic I would have to be a moron to not be offended. But, whatever.

    Regarding plugins. I'm glad for you. I suppose (if you say so) your DAW is in good working order then, but in respect to uncoupling, nulling, , ghost code, cause and effect from bad code and so on... I indeed don't think you fully understand.
     
  12. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    the only possibility I can think of is that maybe the SSd could produce less errors due to no moving mechanical parts. But there's probably some downside to them, which I believe is a more limited number of write and re writes. I dunno I'm sure could be some technical differences, but I doubt anything would be audible, especially in a 2track playback situation.
     
  13. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    It says of the data: "before being delivered to the hi-fi system's DAC", but has anyone mentioned clocking?
     
  14. tlawhon

    tlawhon Active Member

    Don't hard drives incorporate low level logic that attempts to correct detected errors? Sufficient numbers of "corrected" errors might cause audible differences?
     
  15. Reverend Lucas

    Reverend Lucas Active Member

    I said it was bunk.
     
  16. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Yup. 1's are 1's and 0's are 0's... there is no such thing as a "brighter, more present" 1, or a hard drive that adds more "punch" or 'clarity"..
    A drive stores binary data. That data is either written correctly, or, it's not and it produces nothing.

    Some of these studies just make me roll my eyes... and the people who are convinced that there are things there that really aren't; like the guys who think that your video monitor makes a difference in the sound of your audio, or how tracks place towards the top of the screen in Pro Tools sound better than the ones placed towards the bottom... sigh.
     
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  17. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I once had a guy claim that in order for a mix to glue, the drums had to be on the far left of the mixer starting with the kick. I admit, I actually like starting with the drums, bass, guitars >>> but it sure isn't about sonics. I think he saw this order back in the day and assumed it was about sonics. And so it goes...

    I often think this is how the round trip started from the / Mercenary/ RAP/ RO/ PSW/ GS crowd that couldn't leave their hardware out of the Pro Tools loop. Someone thought it was smart going OTB and back to the same session, thus we've created this most ridiculous way to blend digital and analog in the same session, on the same DAW. (Round Trip > Pro Tools/ aka = Alsihad> Gear pimps and shill). I know it works but its never been logical to me.
     
  18. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    that comes from the days of working on tape ... edge tracks were more susceptible slight drop outs and variations of signal strength so instruments like kick drum and bass guitar were recorded to the edge tracks.

    on the other hand i knew guys who would start in the middle and work to the outside tracks.
     
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  19. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I know he never knew why because he was referring to us doing this on Pro Tools. but, I bet this is where it came from.. Nice one Kurt!
    I almost remember doing this with my 16 track for other reasons though. I always wanted the drums fatter on both sides so I'd put them in the center lanes of the tape while the less important bandwidth tracks went to the inferior lanes closest to the sides of the tape. Example 1&2 or 14/15 and 16 lane for SMPTE. But as tape degraded, I would get the odd dropout on those side lanes.

    What went on the far right for you, Bass?
    I stripped the sides for SMPTE but when it dropped out, I ended up using two lanes as a backup. Which was 1 or 16.

    I'm glad those days are long gone.
     
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  20. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    myself, i wish we still worked on tape but what are you gonna do? gotta accept the realities. i usually ran the last two tracks for console auto ... or smpte in which case i would sysnc an adat machine and print the auto info to it ...

    i like to start with drums / kick first then snare toms o/h and hat ... my JH24 didn't have a problem on the edge tracks but some machines i have seen did.
     
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