Live in Rio - Rush new DVD

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by Alécio Costa - Brazil, Nov 12, 2003.

  1. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Distinguished Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    HI folks!
    Here in Brazil people are very excited about the recent release of Rush Live in Rio - DVD.
    As a big fan of this group and all the tech stuff behind their production, I also went after my DVD copy. It was released in the USA before arriving Brazil.

    Several times we almost cried watching that very nice performance on screen, entirely recorded in Brazil and seeing that they wanted to come to FLorianópolis ( the island where I live )because they found it beautiful!!

    However, we were completly disappointed with the sound quality of this DVD.
    Show of hands sounds 100x better and it was done in 1989, maybe?

    Although Geddy´s bass sounds as never before, the mix balance sounds like an amateur mix.

    Sometimes the vocals are buried in the middle of the mix, too much low end/reverb on guitars.

    The keyboards sometimes sound like a plastic $50 toy kid.

    The mastering side... You can feel pumping all the time.

    We know they had some serious technical problems: in one show their pm1D stopped functioning for a few seconds, some midi gear lost memory, lots of delay and so.

    Has anyone else noticed this? I have listened both in stereo and dolby.

    I am still listening in other monitoring systems just to confirm what a few guys ( including me) have also reported.
  2. Marching Ant

    Marching Ant Guest

    Yeah. I listened to it in stereo when i got home, and sometimes the low end would overpower everything else. It was a pretty horrible mix (IMHO) but I watched the whole thing cause Neil Peart Rules. His solo was jaw dropping.

    Haven't had the chance to listen to it in surround yet. I will some day.
  3. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Distinguished Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    Is it possible they had to use some of the PA sound also? I have seen on live productiosn the mix engineer using some of the low end coming from the PA!!!!
    I thought my ears were fooling me. It is a pity.
    But at least Geddy´s bass is incredible!
  4. Sebatron

    Sebatron Well-Known Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    WOW...COOL !!!!

    RUSH used to be one of my favourite bands.
    Still are.

    Hemispheres is an amazing album.... :tu: is 'Moving Pictures'...
    and 'Power Windows'...
    and ......

  5. I screamed like a 5 year old girl when I saw the Rush "Live in Rio" DVD at my local store a couple of weeks ago. I bought it (left my credit card at the shop, but I didn't care) dashed home and stuck it in my DVD player. Everything was sounding amazing until the first chord of the first song (Tom Sawyer). Crowd drowning out the band, half the kit inaudible, and vocals buried in echo and reverb. I was thinking, OK this will probably get better. Unfortunately it didn't. I got seriously flamed for bringing up this issue on a Rush forum (the first time I've ever posted anything!).
    Does anybody know what really went wrong with this mix? I get nothing but marketing hype from official channels.
    I turned off all the channels except the centre, only to find major problems with pumping and dropouts.
  6. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Distinguished Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    Michael, Don, Joe have you guys watched it?
    I am happy I did not buy it in NY. I have just watched my assistant´s copy.
    So, seems everyone has similar opinions about it. Vocals quite buried indeed.
  7. joe lambert

    joe lambert Distinguished past mastering moderator Active Member

    Oct 17, 2001
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    I haven't heard it yet. I am a big Rush fan. They are showing it in a theatre near me. I plan on seeing it. I have a copy on it's way to me. I will let you know what I think. Most Rush material is of a very good quality so I would be surprised if it's bad.
  8. Don Grossinger

    Don Grossinger Distinguished past mastering moderator Active Member

    Jan 16, 2002
    just north of NYC
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    I have not seen it yet. Maybe I will rent it just to see how bad it may be.

    I too am disappointed if this is the case. I cut vinyl lacquers & made CD masters for a couple of their albums in 1988-1991 & always respected the audio quality.
  9. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Distinguished Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    sure. Those guys rules.
  10. I must dissagree the digital 5.1 mix at max in a great room and you are right in the middle of the show. Yea the mix has a few holes here and there, but its a real live performance in front of 60000 people. A real band doing a real show no bs fixes or digital manipulation.

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