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Discussion in 'Monitoring / Headphones' started by ok computer, Jan 20, 2002.

  1. ok computer

    ok computer Guest

    i heard there is some way of cancelling out all spill from studio monitors when tracking if they are in the right position and some phase reversal trick thingy is used. can anybody elaborate for the sake of me not using headphones in the studio?
     
  2. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    It goes along the line of,

    Equalateral triangle , speakers out of phase and do a take. Don't touch or move the Mic while doing it.

    Second way is, speakers or speaker in phase, do a take. Don't touch the Mic or move the Fader and then do another take with NO vocal and mix this back in out of phase.

    Do an experiment without even singing and see how much cue track can be removed when you mix the out of phase back in.

    Kind of works best with near field so the room verbs don't get in the way. Put an auritone or NS10 on a stand in front of the singer.

    I don't explain these thing well when I can't wave my arms. :w:
     
  3. Originally posted by Kev:
    It goes along the line of,

    Equalateral triangle , speakers out of phase and do a take. Don't touch or move the Mic while doing it.

    Second way is, speakers or speaker in phase, do a take. Don't touch the Mic or move the Fader and then do another take with NO vocal and mix this back in out of phase.


    I have gotten much greater results with method #2, I guess that room acoustics and reflections also matters and that rules out the first method for me.
    Recording with speakers is a godsend for some artists, especially vocalists and brass/woodwind players. At some occasions I have had a small PA set up in the studio esp for this purpose, we also did a "live" recording with a synth band recently - they sounded way too stiff when recorded in the "supposed" fashion, but now they where really rockin'.

    FWIW: Rumour has it that ABBA often recorded vocals in the c-room without headphones.


    /Mats
     
  4. mattm

    mattm Guest

    i go with option #2. just be very careful not to alter the mix or monitor level until you've printed the second 'no vocal' track.

    ~matt
     
  5. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Hello,

    to the two fellas here in Melbourne.

    We seem to be well represented here on RO.
     
  6. Marc Edwards

    Marc Edwards Member

  7. Jon Atack

    Jon Atack Member

    Hey, you guys rock...

    With all the travelling I've done, I have still never been to Australia. What do one of you guys say to a one-month studio swap...I get a month to hang at your place in Melbourne, you get a month at mine in Paris...how 'bout that?

    :)

    Jon
     
  8. mattm

    mattm Guest

    Jon, how would we go about lining that up? My travels have taken me through Asia and the USA but still haven't made it to Europe, despite it being the highest on my priority list :) If it's warm weather you're after, perhaps you might consider Sydney. We haven't had any summer here yet... :(

    ~matt
     
  9. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Originally posted by mattm:

    ... We haven't had any summer here yet... :(


    And today was just plain crap.

    At least we can't have a bush fire in all this rain.
     
  10. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Originally posted by mattm:
    ) If it's warm weather you're after, perhaps you might consider Sydney. We haven't had any summer here yet... :(

    ~


    That's amazing! At about 37 degrees latitude, that's the southern equivalent of Spain, Sicily, or Virginia not having had summer yet by the end of July! Do you have some kind of frigid ocean current running off Tasmania that keeps your weather cold?
     
  11. ok computer

    ok computer Guest

    no just melbourne weather! enough said...
     
  12. droog

    droog Active Member

    'nuff said, indeed

    i'm sitting in newcastle (2 hours north of sydney), and the weather, as usual, is bliss, and the surf is pumping

    i guess, i'll shut up now
     
  13. droog

    droog Active Member

    but not before posting this:

    http://www.surfcam.com.au/cams/newcastle.php
     
  14. wiggy

    wiggy Guest

    Ok me too ...I am getting in on that Melbourne Action tooo

    Is that MattM who recorded the 'sandpit' album and was SFK FOH? if it is how r u? u will know me from Hothouse!

    CYA
     

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