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audio looking for feedback on this mix - hardcore/metal

Discussion in 'Fix This MIX!' started by sharkfistsound, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. sharkfistsound

    sharkfistsound Active Member

    Hey everyone this is a band i've recorded recently, there's a few timing issues as this was not done to a click track. Just looking for advice on the tones/overall mix. Personally I think the toms do not fit the mix at all but I'm out of ideas at the moment on what to do with them. ‚Äč greatly appreciate any help/advice, thanks!

    2012-09-10 EP Final Mix.mp3

    on the master bus i was running a simple chain of: Soft Clipping, Multi-band Comp (mastering - light preset), and then a limiter.
    Just to get a feel for what those would do to the mix in the end.
  2. sharkfistsound

    sharkfistsound Active Member

    I understand the link may not be working...this should work here 2012-09-10 EP Final Mix.mp3
  3. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    nice playing however, it sounds like it was mastered on earbuds or a tin room, like there is nothing below 200 or anything above 10k. very metal rash sounding and mid dominant.

    Try remixing it and possibly fix your room acoustics which are effecting your monitoring.

    Hope that helps.
  4. Zilus

    Zilus Active Member

    Not that bad... but the tempo is killing the music, IMHO its too "tight", maybe not enough headroom?
  5. ZXYZ

    ZXYZ Active Member

    my opinion-drums need more presence and expansion. Probably phase correction couldn't hurt.
  6. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    lol, sorry, my bad. My youngest came in the control room and cranked all the headphones to 11! This is what I was hearing, ROTF. Needless to say, someone got a talking to and I hear a lot more bottom end now.thumb
  7. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I love these Track Talk threads.

    For fun,

    I ran a few bars through my analog system and expanded the drums, well the song because I can't obviously do them separately. This is how I would rather here it but its only a test of course ( In/out and 2 minutes of tweaking). I took out a bit of the mids, added a tube here and there for colour, a bricasti for more space but don't quite like what I did on the mid dip.
    I think just remixing it again and experimenting on creating more space via panning and some toys would help. It sounds too crammed. If you spaced it out, I know it would be cool.

    Its also really compressed. I guess thats the sound you are looking for but it does loose some excitement when its this much on an entire song.

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  8. sharkfistsound

    sharkfistsound Active Member

    Thanks for the tips everyone, zilus what exactly did you mean by it sounds too "tight"? like too compressed perhaps? and audiokid you had me worried there for a second haha, I'd say the low end is what i'm most happy with on the track so far. When I went to check out the dropbox link you posted I got a 403 error however :/
  9. sharkfistsound

    sharkfistsound Active Member

    as far as panning goes i have the guitars hard panned R and L. Bass, Kick Drum and Snare in the center, oh's hard panned L and R. High Tom panned 26% right and floor tom 39% left. Any tips on where you would begin to add space?
  10. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Ya, that was hilarious,. I had 4 headphones cranked around me and my monitoring down low so the majority of the song was coming from all the headphones, and it was loud but as you can imagine, pretty thin.

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  11. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Not my style of music but creating some layering and using a few verbs to create some space. Everything sounds like you are maxed with headroom too. And this causes a really dead sound. You can still get the in-your-face impact but if you allow more headroom on your tracks, they will have a more open sound.

    Kurt, Max, others, have you any suggestions?

    I use analog gear to open my sound up. Phase issues maybe? You are on Sonar X1 yes? Nice DAW. But I don't know its abilities and the ability to hear individual tracks.
  12. sharkfistsound

    sharkfistsound Active Member

    wow I like how the expansion helped the drum sound alot, I know it was applied to the whole track but seems to make the biggest difference in that department. For doing that in the box would you recommend busing the drums out to a stereo bus and hitting it with the expander or place expanders on the drum tracks as inserts? I've got about 7 buses running as of now so Idk if more routing would cause issues or not
  13. sharkfistsound

    sharkfistsound Active Member

    gah sorry for the double reply lol But yes I'm on Sonar X1, and completely out of headroom i believe lol. Like I stated as of now I'm just using a simple temporary mastering chain. I have a couple different expander vst's Im going to play around with and see what we can come up with here
  14. sharkfistsound

    sharkfistsound Active Member

    is adding headroom something as simple as bringing things down in the mix and letting mastering take care of the needed overall loudness in the end?
  15. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    hmm... I don't do multiple DA AD for example ( individual bus track DA> analog gear> AD > 2-bus master) or individual inserts of any given track OTB.
    I mix ITB> group> stem> DA> ( bypass the DAW 2-bus) do the analog thing > AD master to a second PC.

    I do not agree on going back and forth DA>AD on the same computer. Once I'm OTB, I stay there until the mix is done and then save it all as a 2 track to a second recorder that is setup for the end result. No sample rate conversion. I do believe this helps.

    If you are able to group your drums, bass, guitars, keys, Vox, effects ITB and work on those groups before the 2-bus ( master track), I think you will get a better mix.
  16. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Yes, but let me ask this:

    Ah, this is a big issue for you, and now you are going to ROCK if you can start allowing for a lot more headroom. Are your individual tracks hitting close to red or 0?
    Did you normalize them ( individual tracks)?
  17. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Yes, as mentioned above, group the drums and create space with your tricks. Could be a few reverbs ( an early reflection added with a hall or plate), an expander ya... maybe, detuning or eqing a left and right channel slightly. I used two types of expanders because your drums are so compressed. Expanders can also do other things too. Like offset a phase slightly. Chorus effects and so on.
  18. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    i think it's perfect. i wouldn't change anything. i like the note at the end.
  19. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    hehe, you are an easy date. And maybe not too expensive since you are in a Van at Wal-Mart ROTF.
  20. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    there really is a note at the end .. you just have to listen.

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