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audio Loudness War Explained

Discussion in 'Fix This MIX!' started by audiokid, Apr 14, 2012.

  1. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

  2. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    What is the bandwidth of earbuds?
    Could it be that we are not mastering music for the right crowd and the right product?
    What is the most popular way to listen to music today? Maybe there is a deeper reason why we need to remove the transients and smash the master?
    What does dynamic music sound like on ear buds, anyone know?

    Maybe we need to get a forth pair of monitors and mix our music through earbuds.


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  3. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Mastered for iTunes

    Apple - iTunes - Mastered for iTunes
  4. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    mastering specifically for the most popular consumer format

    Albums Have Been Mastered Specifically for iTunes To Optimize Sound Quality
    Music from Madonna, Paul McCartney, Kaori Muraji, U2, John Coltrane and... -- SANTA MONICA, Calif., Feb. 21, 2012 /PRNewswire/ --
  5. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Mastered for iTunes 'sounds closer to CD' - I'm calling BS

  6. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Loudness War: Peace is Almost Here!

    Bob Katz

    Loudness War: Peace is Almost Here!
  7. ijiraq

    ijiraq Active Member

    Nowadays hi-fi is hi-WHAT? With portability, this concept is has been lost. Now we need to mix for AN ITOUCH SPEAKER! Or, on the high end, a walmart desktop computer speaker! It makes no sense really, how we lost the quality of music with these devices, and most have horrible d/a converters... So now you layer a kick 8 times on different tracks, each having it's own freq notch and a couple that are way higher than the "kick range" so that the "bass" will psychoacoustically play through on your i touch speaker and sound "amazing". Repeat similar for synths, vocals, etc... Not to mention all the ducking and parallel compressors you have to run the signal through. EVERYTHING IS COMPRESSED AND RECOMPRESSED! In the end, in dance music at least, you end up with all this squarish-wave sounding stuff and I mean it sounds good, brilliantly engineered (I do it too)... BUT... Try play some of this new stuff through your Hi-fi tube amp system with good LARGE 3 way drivers with a proper crossover and listen.... CLIPPING!!!! DISTORTION!!! Is that insane? But Alas, it is the way of things I guess...
  8. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I was just thinking about all this today.

    I own a Neos which has good bandwidth but I have to say, what a challenge in both self control and technical knowledge to mix / master a track that translates on tiny speakers or online music. This week I have been mixing and testing through an iphone and you appear to be exactly correct> Or this appears to be correct because there is no way I can master a song with big bass and have it sound acceptable for an iphone.

    But after a lot of testing, getting it to sound pretty good on the iphone, I'm thinking my mix sounds pretty good on full range. So, I'm not at the point where I am second guessing myself on this once again. Does a great master translate on all systems?
  9. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    low A string on a bass guitar is what? 220Hz? low E is about 140Hz the mistake is trying to get big bass on small speakers by boosting below 100Hz where the fundamentals are an octave higher. try a narrow 2 dB notch boost at 225 for the bass .. it will play with great definition on small speaker systems.
  10. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Thanks for your suggestion, Kurt.

    I have a Pultec style/ Passive EQ on my master bus and while experimenting unthinkable things, I've had good results from pulling out a wide HP curve starting from 800 1.5 db. Then a simple boost around 220 like you suggest sounds pretty good.
    Its a nightmare trying to get all these media's to translate well.
  11. archieaa1

    archieaa1 Active Member

    Low E on a bass is 41hz and low A is 55hz. Your best bet is to try an get the overtones singing because you will not get the fundamental from those little speakers.

    Please forgive me for nit picking the frequencies


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