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Mac or PC for Protools

Discussion in 'Pro Tools' started by Amsterdam72, Apr 14, 2005.

  1. Amsterdam72

    Amsterdam72 Guest

    I was just wanting some feedback on pros and cons of these two.
    I was look ing at getting a PC built by sweetwater using digidesign specs. When I asked the sales guy what the hype for the macs was he said "your just paying for the mystery and cooldaddy status of having a Mac". Whats up with that? I'm buying a Digi 002rack LE . Anyone?
    thanks
     
  2. Marching Ant

    Marching Ant Member

    Wel yes, Mac's do look cooler :D

    I used to be a PC guy for as long as i could remember. Then i got Pro Tools, and a custom built PC from a local company, using Digi's specs. Altho it was decent, it seemed to crash much more that a friend's Mac running the same version of PT on a slower Mac.

    thats when i decided to switch over to the mac.

    I found the transition was VERY easy. the OS is very easy to use and straight forward. even my grandparents could figure it out

    Also, there is alot less customization on a mac. its a little more "plug and play"

    Now i have a Powermac G4 933mhz single processor. its the version before the quicksilver. I am using Mac OS X 10 and PT 6.4 on a Digi 001, and it runs very well. crashes happen about month at most, and the rig is used every day for at least 4 hrs.

    The drawbacks to the Mac is that they cost a bit more, and they (depending on the PC) tend to not be able to get as much processing power for plugins, altho that may not be true anymore with the G5s. i havent used one, altho im planning on getting one soon.


    hope this helps
     
  3. Amsterdam72

    Amsterdam72 Guest

    Cool ,
    thanks I'm gonna keep researching the Macs the PC i was gonna get was @ 2k so thats what i'm working
     
  4. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    It's not mystery

    I have LE systems on both but I only have a Mac for my TDM system.

    Mac gives access to software like FCP and Logic.
    PC's also gove access to software that doesn't run on the other.

    I get use out of my Macs long after the PC's are sent to the garage.

    There is much to like about the way a Mac works.
     
  5. Costy

    Costy Guest

    I'm on the Mac side. Don't measure the PCs and Macs by processor
    speed. It's all different OS and the final speed is quite different too.
    The big studios have Macs, lots of them like to work with SDII files
    which are not supported on PC - compatibility issue.
    I have Mac G5 double CPU 1.8 GHz, runs PT LE from November with
    no crashing. There're G4s double-processsor on ebay below 1k. Just
    mind - some of G4 models have a damn noisy fans... With 2 CPUs you
    can assign one 100% to run PT. It helps. PT LE is not TDM, it needs
    processor power.
    But if you also need to run Cubase or some PC soft stick with PC then.
    Keep researching... The only thing is really important - you are happy
    with the setup.
     
  6. Dave62

    Dave62 Guest

    Another mac vote. I run a 002R with a G5 Dual 1.8 with 2 gig ram and a Rosetta 800 and it makes money for me every week. At 44.1 24 I can run 3 full bandwidth waves IR 1 convolution reverbs plus EQ's and compressors on 20+ channels plus the waves mastering bundle( broadband EQ ->multiband compressor->L2) on the master, all at once. No chipset variables, a way smaller target for hackers, and a CPU that has everthing you basically need that works immediatley with software that has been designed from the ground up to work on a mac. The only suck is the supplied mac mouse which I gave to the cat and bought a wireless optical with wheel. [/b]
     
  7. JJansson

    JJansson Guest

    Yep, I'm also running 002R with the 2x2Ghz G5. Bougt it in january. Not a crash yet....
     
  8. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    spicing things up here!
    if you want to have good control and work well in your daw... go for logic with a mac!
    and instead of that horrible 002r go for the fireface800 or if you don't have the money any of the motu products!
     
  9. JJansson

    JJansson Guest

    Why do you think that the 002 is horrible? The Fireface 800 is fantastic, but I'm also very happy with my 002r. I think both are great.
     
  10. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    i think the 002r is horrible comparing with all the other similiar products at that price range because it has the worst features! you just pay the name! and not comparing with the fireface 800 i may compare the motu traveler with the 002r... in a second i'd make my choice...
     
  11. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    Once upon a time.... you needed a mac if you needed stability, plugin choices, PTLE feature sets and ease of use. These days that's not the case. PCs have pretty much caught up in every respect.
    Since WinXP my PC (with a 001) has literally crashed once... and that was because a memory module bit the dust. PC's have access to almost all the major plugins, including McDSP which used to be a mac-user's biggest bragging right. With version 6.7 the feature set is almost identical. And ease of use... well that pretty much comes down to which system you know better.
    So for me it came down to the fact that PCs are cheaper.... and the fact that single processor Athlon64's are out-performing dual processor G5's. (proven on the DUC by benchmark tests on both sides)

    But all that aside..... you should buy the system you are most comfortable with.... because in the end, that's when you'll produce your best music. Both systems are equally capable.
     
  12. axel

    axel Guest

    i guess once you go mac you never look back, there are a few reasons for it most of them have been already mentioned, i know a lot of people who run really old macs (including myself, did not had a reason yert to change!! he is still doing all the work... very well), and they still perform brilliant and give still enough speed, comparing to PC's where i know that my collegs swooping every 1 to 1.5 years to a faster one. also software like peak, logic, DP are still native to mac and stable!

    but i would suggest stay away from digi hardware, spend your money clever and buy a firewire metric halo I/O or motu instead and run logic

    the converters and pre's on metrivc or motu are soooo... much better for the money you will spend.

    the price difference on the comp is not really great, if you get a decent PC with the same high quality specs like good burner good fast drive,etc. you spend more or less equal money...
     
  13. took-the-red-pill

    took-the-red-pill Active Member

    Hi dudes.

    Interesting to hear so many Mac Votes. I was once virtually castrated here for daring to mention that Macs might just be superior. Personally I'm not into hype, legend, or any of that hearsay crap, but I'm a Mac man at heart. the computer I'm writing this on was built in 1994 and the only time it ever crashes(rarely) is when I'm using MS Internet Exploder. These are the Honda Accord of the computer world, and that's not just legend.

    I could be wrong but I personally believe that 90% of the trouble with stability, security and general BS with PC's has to do with Windows. Like I said, that's just my opinion.

    Apparently OS-X is based on Unix, which runs the whole internet. So now we finally have the world's best user interface running on top of the world's best operating system.

    Now having said that...my Dell arrives in 3 days. I've joined the Dark Side. I'll tell you why:

    It wasn't so much a platform decision as a music software/budgetary decision. I've decided to go the Cubase route, due to personal preference, the cost of entry, and I believe it has more power for the money. I checked out this site

    http://www.carillonusa.com/clnweb/performance.jsp?country=US

    The results of these tests tell me that PC's run 40-50% more plug ins and tracks and such on Cubase, yet a Mac runs 40-50% more stuff on Pro Tools. Interesting and perplexing. I guess PT must have been written for the Mac, something which I can't prove.

    So if I were going PT, I'd spring for the Apple, but with Cubase, I'll be going PC. I just hope I don't regret my decision.......

    cheers
    Keith
     
  14. axel

    axel Guest

    sorry, i am shure you will...
    cubase is a toy, crap to be precise...
     
  15. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    WRONG!
     
  16. Marching Ant

    Marching Ant Member

    On what basis?? the DaveC benchmark test or in the real world??

    Im not trying to nock the validity of the test, because it is a great test to see how far your system will go, but thats as far as it can be taken. When you're in a session, they'll act differently, and so far every one of my experiences has shown me that a MAC outperforms a PC

    example: A mix i did on a G5 single 1.8 processor with 32 tracks and a fair amount of waves/bombfactory plugs was to be transfered onto a new AMD Athalon 1.7. both computers had 1gig of memory, but the PC wouldn't play anything. We had to ditch about 7-10 plugins out of about 50ish before the PC would play, and even then, it was sluggish. The meters jumped, and if you tried to switch windows, it would stop playback, but the mac would play it flawlessly.
     
  17. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    1.7 Athlons are very old now...... try it on a 64bit Athlon and see how you go ;)
     
  18. iznogood

    iznogood Guest

    top speed and price are NOT the most important things to me....

    reliability is one.... and don't say "stability problems on pc's are a thing of the past and xp fixed it all".... it's simply not true

    ease of use.... easy setup.... and general quality feel of machines/operating system/user interface is so far ahead on mac that windoze machines seem like they're thrown together in a hurry leaving a mess...

    as a pro on mac (like in sitting in front of protools 10hours a day for a living) you get the feeling that you can trust your system.... with windoze you're always in doubt if "something" is going on.....

    i understand that not everyone can afford a mac and for them pc's are indeed cheaper.... but as with many other things cheaper is not better...
     
  19. itchy

    itchy Guest

    Where do you get off making that judgement?

    Do you use cubase? Do you consider you opinion subjective, or absolute? Do you think you're helping someone with a ridiculous statement like this?

    I use Cubase and absolutely love it. This being said after trying cakewalk sonar & pro audio, cool edit, and n-tracks. Those are fine programs too, I just like the feel of cubase better.

    As for protools, I haven't tried it yet. But I certainly wouldn't jump the gun and call it a toy.

    Posts like that are completely worthless.

    As far as Mac vs. PC, just use what os is comfortable for you, and just record already. There is no reason to make the platform switch just because you think one is 'better' for audio. Both are very comptetent systems with proper care & use.
     
  20. took-the-red-pill

    took-the-red-pill Active Member

    Whoah!!! Next time I walk into this room I'm bringing my flame proof vest!

    Chill out dudes...they're just boxes with funny knobs and pretty screens that are good for music, accounting, and porn. It's not the end of the world if we don't all agree.

    There's no sense in us all getting all pi$$ed off about which is better, when we all know deep down in our hearts that Macs and PC's are pretty much equal...well, except for the fact that one invented the concept of point and click, and the other only copied it...years later...badly...through about 8 crash prone versions.

    Well other than that they're the same...except that one is known for stability and the other is known for making it's owner rich.

    Well other than that they're the same...except that one decided to put the world's best interface on UNIX, the world's best operating system, and the other put yet another interface on top of DOS, in the vain hopes that THIS time maybe they have it right.

    Well okay, other than that they're the same.

    Oh well, all my statements and unfair sweeping generalisations are probably...

    WRONG!

    Hey...this is kinda fun
     

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