Mackie mixer help

Discussion in 'Location Recording' started by goodge, May 21, 2007.

  1. goodge

    goodge Guest

    Please help guys here is a link to the mixer i am using at the moment

    http://www.mackie.com/home/showimage.html?u=/products/cfx16mkii/images/ZOOMED_CXF16mkII.jpg

    My general thought process is:

    having only one compression unit or 1 efx unit or 1gate, if I want only one channel effected I should insert the unit effect directly on to the chosen channel.

    Now.. if I want multiple channels effected by compression for say vocals do I create a vocal sub group then insert my compression to this sub group if yes HOW do i do this as its a little desk i'm not sure if i can should there not just be a sub group compression/efx/gate insert which would be used just for that individaul group??. Then how will my aux sends for my monitor mix be effected meaning how do i control what effect i want sending to my monitor mix if any at all is this just the case of pre fade buton in or out??

    Thanks People
    Goodge
     
  2. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Well-Known Member

    Your application of compression and/or limiting differs from live and recording applications. Obviously, compression of any microphone when involved with a PA system, isn't a real good idea. Why? Feedback.

    During recording, plenty of compression if desired without ramifications.

    Now go back to the beginning of the book where it says " Getting Started".
    Ms. Remy Ann David
     
  3. AUD10

    AUD10 Active Member

    Re: Compression

    Interesting - I always thought Compression was used heavily in live PA? :?
     
  4. dementedchord

    dementedchord Well-Known Member

    yeah compression..."it's everywhere... it's everywhere''... and it's used in live pa's as well... remy.... yoohoo..... have you been drinking again hun??
     
  5. sheet

    sheet Well-Known Member

    Well, Remy and I disagree again.

    Compression CAN cause feedback, but that would say to me that you are assuming main and monitor mixes are coming from one console, with compressors inserted on channels instead of buses.

    I use compression and I don't have issues with feedback. But I am in a different world than the local weekend warrior. You HAVE to use compression if you want a smooth, professional sounding mix, and control over dynamics.
     
  6. rockstardave

    rockstardave Active Member

    i'll backup sheet on this one...

    compression helps me get rid of feedback in many live applications. mild compression anyways... maybe 2:1 or 3:1 and a medium-high threshold always make vocals sound better live (at least in a few of my regular rooms).

    but to each his (or her!!) own...
     
  7. goodge

    goodge Guest

    Well that was a great help maybe i should try another forum
     
  8. goodge

    goodge Guest

    Does any one fancy a pop at the original question please
     
  9. Seedlings

    Seedlings Active Member

    goodge, if you're wanting to know how to send multiple channels to your one compressor using your Mackie, try this:

    Send all the channels you'd like to compress out AUX1. Connect a cable from the AUX1 output into a DIFFERENT channel. Then you can use that channel as the subgroup with the effect inserted into just the one channel.

    CHAD
     
  10. Kent L T

    Kent L T Active Member

    Route the things you want compressed to sub 1(or any sub you wish to use) unassign that sub from the stereo bus. route the output from sub 1 to your compressor route the output from the compressor into the line in of any one of the channels send the channel to any one of the remaining sub buses.

    Same concept as seedlings but a different method. Seedlings might be a more desirable method since it does not eat up a sub and put in an extra gain stage. If your aux buses are used up though this would be an alternative.

    No need to be sarcastic you will eventually get the help you need if you can have some patience.
     
  11. goodge

    goodge Guest

    thanks. I have been using both aux 1 and 2 for monitor sends. When i return the signal from the compressor output in to an un-used channel on the mackie you say to use the channel line in, is there a difference between the use of the line in compared to using the insert instead, surely both the insert and the line in would work the same or is it a case of one being balanced and the other non balanced and if this case is true am i right by thinking the inset would more likely be the balanced input.

    Thanks again
     
  12. Kent L T

    Kent L T Active Member

    Well I am not sure it really matters which one you use, you will want to bypass the eq on that channel either way. I just didnt want you useing the mic in. The line in was the first one i thought about.

    Well it's better keeping it balanced if you can but I doubt many people could tell the difference.

    You will need to be carefull with your compression you can end up in feedback city pretty quickly.
     

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