Marantz CDR 300

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by woods, Nov 25, 2003.

  1. woods

    woods Guest

    This unit has a SPDIF input. Wonder how this would do as the final destination for mastered material. If you were coming out of a Masterlink at 24 bit into HEDD - Vari Mu - Massivo -- Hedd and then into the CDR300? Would the 16 bit copy that it produces be as good as any?

    Thinking of ordering the CDR 300 right away and just wanted a few comments on it as far as any mastering uses. I need a recorder for some outdoors location recording. But I also need a second recorder for mastering so just wondering if the Marantz could do both rolls?

    http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_marantz_professional_cdr/
     
  2. woods

    woods Guest

    Any feedback at all would be appreciated.

    Woods
     
  3. pandamonkey

    pandamonkey Active Member

    Hey,
    Check out the Audio/Video forum.. I posted a question on this device in Sept. there are a few decent opinions... Also, there was an article written about the recorder in Aug. or Sept.'s "Radio and Production" magazine.
    Regards,
    mIchAEl
     
  4. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    Not sure the point of your question, but if you are feeding that unit or any other unit a quality 16-bit/44.1khz stream, it should not matter and be as good as anything else. How that unit plays back that data from it's D/A, how reliable is it is, how robust/rugged that transport or laser is, are much differnt questions.
     
  5. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    if your talking about a master recorder that you can print masters to and send to the plant, then the answer is no. each time you dump a track and stop the maching to dump another track, it's going to generate an E32 error and the plant will reject it. you'll need a computer CD-R burner that can write disk at once and some software that will allow you to edit the pq subcode info. ideally you'll need a burner that can write a CD-R with less than 6 BLER errors a second.
     
  6. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Michael,
    Wow! I'm glad you mentioned that. i am doing a project that will be going to CD duplication in Feb.

    Is this the case with all stand alone CRr burners, or just something that just the Marantz does.. and would the same problem arise by putting the machine in "pause" between tracks as opposed to stopping it?

    Last if the answer to both these questions is yes, then will I be able to burn an acceptable CDr for the plant by loading the songs recorded off the DAW into from my Fostex CDR200 as mentioned above, into my computer and burning a CDr all at once using Nero Burning Rom?
     
  7. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    As far as I know, all stand alone CD recorders are not capable of DAO (disk-at-one) recording and will generate the E32 error as well as other possible problems for duplication. DAO can be done on recorder drives in PC's or external recorder drives such as those using SCSI. DAO is when the laser burns the data in a continous stream from start to finish. Pause, I believe just lowers the intensity and stops the laser motion, thus breaking the continuous stream of DAO.

    If you burn a CD-R from the computer in data format, it becomes a CD-ROM so it will still need to be processed before it can directly used for duplication.

    These days I'm sure you can send any CD-R audio for duplication, but it will need the extra steps done to make it acceptable for the duplication process.
     
  8. Pez

    Pez Active Member

    Kurt,
    since you're on a PC I would recommend Wavelab. It'll take care of all of your needs. Once you learn the program it is very fast and the support is excellent.
     
  9. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Thanks guys but i still don't have an answer to the question I asked..
    so i will explaine my situation in a more deatailed way..
    I do tracking and mixing in cubase 5.1 on a dedicated DAW that has nothing else on it other than Cubase Windows XP Pros and Adobe PDF reader.. . I have a Frontier Dakota card which has a spdif out that I run to a stand alone Fostex CD200 CDr for mixing. If I take that disk from the Fostex and then load the individual songs into Burning ROM on my internet computer where I can sequence them and add final level and eq tweaks if I wish, and then burn a CDr all at once from that, will it be acceptable for the CD plant or a Mastering House?
     
  10. Don Grossinger

    Don Grossinger Distinguished past mastering moderator Active Member

    Kurt,

    Send me a sample disc, we will test it & know for sure. It should work.

    Don
     
  11. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    mmmm, I love thanksgiving.

    So to answer your questions. You can dump your masters to your fostex CDR and then extract them back into another system and re-assemble the cd and burn that. I don't know if your computer burner will burn a DAO CDR, you'll have to check. some don't. There is a noticable sound degregation when extracting a cd from a CD rom drive as apposed to digitally dumping the cd through spdif or aes.a cdrom drive has to do a conververion that is noticeable to everyone I have done an A/B test with. The only sure way to test your disc would be to send it to a plant and have them test it or find a mastering house the has a tester that will test for all the errors. there are many variables that determine a good disc and it's a good Idea to have that narrowed down to find the best. I offer a service to studios to test their burner, media, and burn speed combinations to find the best combination for delivering your mixes or masters. check my website if your interested.

    Good firewire and scsi burners are very cheap now so you should look into one that will meet these needs and interface with the software that your using.
     

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