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Mastering - Problem with difference between Monitors and Headphones

Discussion in 'Monitoring / Headphones' started by PhasmataJ, Jul 29, 2011.

  1. PhasmataJ

    PhasmataJ Active Member

    Hey all,

    So glad I found your forum. I'm PhasmataJ and have a few songs I'm working on. Problem is, the salespeople at a local music store told me how wonderful the M-Audio (Studiophile AV40's) were for DAW's, etc. Well I am not that impressed. They have great sound. BUT, they really pull the bass out big time. It makes it hard for me to decipher a good mix when mastering a song. In other words, they are a bit bassy. The bass takes over.

    As for my headphones, I'm using Sony's MDR-V700's which are amazing. They really are. Sound fantastic. Problem is, it sounds good in one or the other, depending upon my bass levels. And I am at a loss on how to resolve this.

    Do any of you have the same problem? I mean, it drives me nuts everytime I go to tweak velocities, the bass pours out of my M-Audio speakers. But that doesn't happen with the headphones.

    At a loss,
    Would appreciate someone who knew how to get around this.

    I'm writing a song right now as a tribute to Amy Winehouse. But it isn't jiving with my ears yet. If anyone wants to take a listen on what I'm doing, let me know. I'll send you a link. That's if I don't figure out how to put it here in the forum. Not sure if I can do that.

    Thank you in advance,
  2. IIRs

    IIRs Well-Known Member

    What you have is a mixing problem, not a mastering problem ;)

    Excessive bass is more likely due to your room acoustics. If possible try to relocate the speakers to keep them away from walls, and well away from corners. Place them on solid stands rather than on your desktop.

    Ultimately you will need bass traps, especially if its a small room.
  3. PhasmataJ

    PhasmataJ Active Member

    Now see what I get when I join an awesome forum with folks who know what they're talking about? Thank you IIRs. Your suggestion forced me to take a peek at the bass ports on the back of the M-Audio monitors. I then realized yes, I do have the things too close to the wall. This is a small area. So, I have some rearranging to do thanks to your awesome advice. Why is it the simple things escape our brains sometimes?

    May I show just how much I don't know by asking what a bass trap is?
  4. IIRs

    IIRs Well-Known Member

    Bass traps soak up the low frequency energy that will otherwise bounce around your room and cause major peaks and troughs in your frequency response. Usually placed in corners of the rooms where the bass energy builds up the most. Various commercial designs are available from companies such as Vicoustic or Auralex etc. or you can build your own fairly easily: more info in the studio construction and acoustics forum
  5. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    You've got to monitor lots and lots of very famous, well known CDs by well-known artists over the years. Once you get intimately familiar with your speakers, then you can figure out how your headphones relate to the speakers. Mixing through headphones is not something I suggest. Many of us have to do that for specialized circumstances, otherwise we use speakers. If you try to make it sound good with headphones, you're going to end up with too much bass. What's it sounds good to your speakers, it should still send it to your headphones but different. If it sounds good for your headphones, it'll probably sound like mud coming out of your speakers. That's just the way it goes.

    It's called understanding your monitoring
    Mx. Remy Ann David

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