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mic pres opinions

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Alécio Costa - Brazil, Apr 7, 2003.

  1. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Well-Known Member

    Hi friends! I am quite far from the USA, down here in the south of Brazil.

    I know that Manley, Avalon, API, Focusrite would be much more appropriate gear to improve my console´s mic pres (02R).

    However, I would like to have some opinions of yours regarding the following products. Any idea is very wellcomed.

    1) Sumit Audio 2BA 221 $589
    2) MP20 Presonus $499
    3) M-Audio Tampa $629
    4) symetrix 302 dual $260
    5) Focusrite Trakmaster $399
    6) Focusrite Octapre $+/- 1000
    7) Digimax 96KLT $+/- 1000
    8) Grace 101 $599
    9) dbx 386/376 $499

    I wanted some nice stereo mic pre with a reasonable compressor. No need for tube sound or equalization.

    Something that might be reasonable leap from 02R mic pres, not into having more gear that will not add any quality.
    However, also, staying in the $1000 range.

    p.s: Kurt mentioned the new 4 channel ISA also.

    Thanks in advance
    :p:
     
  2. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    I am also very keen on the Sebatron vmp-4000! It's a quad tube pre and instrument direct box with switchable lo boost / cut, bright and air settings. Very pristine natural sound that can be pushed or daisy chained to give it attitude if you wish. Lots of gain but very quiet. Lists at $1497! Really the best of all worlds. I will be publishing a full review shortly as soon as I get some pictures from Sebatron to run with it.

    Of the pres mentioned above I would give a :tu: to the Summit and the Grace.

    Also don't ignore the new Speck 5.0 I did a review of this also and I found it to be a very nice high headroom clean and airy pre. Great di for bass!
    Kurt
     
  3. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Well-Known Member

    Thanks Dear. However, I will have to wait for Sebatron to surf here in Brazil and to pick a unit of his!

    what about the Platinum Voice Master Pro ( $595) and the Track Master ($400).?

    I will also examine carefully the two you mentioned.

    :)
     
  4. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Alecio,
    I am sure Sebatron would be happy to ship one to you. I am not going to comment on the two Focusrites you mentioned other than to say these are not Rupert designs as are the "real" Focusrites. Last time I "dissed" these pieces a lot of people gave me snotty replies I guess because it hurt their feelings. :D

    I promise however you wouldn't be unhappy with the vmp-4000! It's a great quad mic pre. Perfect as a front end for PT or any DAW. Hint; Don't spend your money twice! ... Kurt
     
  5. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Well-Known Member

    ys, dear. you are absolutely right. But the voice master pro really looks cool!lol
    BTW.. have you taken a look at Nostradamus stuff?
    See ya later
    hugs
    :s:
     
  6. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    No I never heard of Nostradamus pres. Have you got a link? :D How about a Nostradamus compressor with the look ahead feature? :D :D Kurt
     
  7. lowdbrent

    lowdbrent Guest

    Anything in that focuswrong budget is going to have the same chip or something pretty close.

    I would save your money and get a pre that would really be a quantum leap in quality. Avalon, Massenburg, Amek 9098, Millennia, etc.
     
  8. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Well-Known Member

    Focuswrong has the same level quality of 02R mic pres? OH MY GOD!

    Nostradamus mic pres.... firing ya into the future
    lol
     
  9. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Well-Known Member

    Hey, ARt has just released a digital mic Tube pre/comp. Up to 384khz. I haven´t seen that yet.
    Kurt, what is your word?
    Bill, have you seen it?
     
  10. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Alecio,
    My friend .... ummm , errr.. I am just amazed at your willingness to make big ticket purchases on equipment that has a limited life span such as Pro Tools and digital mixers, but you seem to want to "cheap out" every time you begin to talk about things that would last a lifetime like TRANSDUCERS! and mic pres. My advice is to put the big bucks into speakers, mic pres, analog compressors, analog eq's (front end) and cheap out on the stuff that is going to be inevitably obsolete in a few months or years.

    There just aren't any inexpensive mic pres worth anything in my opinion. The FMR stuff comes closest to doing this but it is still limited. Traditionally the ART line of micpres has been a low headroom, low voltage/amperage, weak power supply line of gear. It does what it was designed for, reasonably well and I am sure that some good work can be done with it, but for "dummy proof" audio, I recommend front end gear that is of the high end "ilk". Kurt
     
  11. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Well-Known Member

    thanks again for your words, but have you tested this gear or are you based in some magazine review or friend´s complaints?

    pro channel > just analog, mic pre, selectable optical tube/variable mu compressor, tube eq.

    digital mpa > tube mic pre with digital connectivity.
    :p:
     
  12. my opinion is

    1) Sumit Audio 2BA 221 $589
    Focusrite Voicemaster pro $600
    8) Grace 101 $599
     
  13. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    ACB,
    You specifically ask my opinion and then question my reply because you don't like the answer I gave.

    How can a digital mic pre go to 384kHz? The sampleing rate would have to be 768kHz.!

    I have used the ART Pro MPA before and I am basing the rest of my opinion from what others here and other places have said. I assure you, if someone comes out with something cheap that really works well, you will hear about it from a lot of other people than me! The FMR falls into this catagory although there are some comments that at times it runs out of headroom. Also of note in this catagory would be the Summit, The Grace and perhaps the Studio Projects VT-1. All thes pres have gotton excellent word of mouth. The fact is quality mic pres are all discreet, no ICs, very fast slew rates, at least partially point to point wired and massively power supplied. This cannot be done inexpensivly. Kurt
     
  14. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Well-Known Member

    yes, you are right.
    correcting the info: maximum internal sample rate: 192K;
    24 - 204khz - external sample rate

    I am not saying I didn´t like your point of view. I asked you if you had read or some other people complained about it to you.
    You just did not mention you had that gear .

    It is not a matter of trust or not i what you say.

    you take it personnally.
    well, time to leave for a while :confused: .
     
  15. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    ACB,
    I am not at all upset. I just don't pull any punches. All that is said is said with a grin. :D You are a friend. Please don't think I would be upset with you at all. Kurt
     
  16. 3dchris

    3dchris Active Member

    Alecio,
    I agree with Kurt. Don't waste your hard earned money on cheap preamps which probably would not sound much better than the ones you already have in 02R (btw buying a digital mixer is total waste of money imho. unless you do classical music recording). I really suggest that you take time and LISTEN and compare the units you want to buy with stuff like Avalon, UA etc. I didn't hear
    Sebatron vmp-4000 yet but I heard only good words about it. If you already want to spend $1K on crappy gear why not wait and get the stuff that will last you for long time and make a REAL difference in the sound quality of your recordings? After all Sebatron costs only about 500 more. I'm sorry Alecio, but you can't make a great recording on a crappy gear even if you're the best engineer in the world.

    tnx,

    chris
     
  17. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Alecio...buy what your ears tell you is right...fortunately for you, the mic pres in your o2r are pretty good...as are most of yamaha mic pres from a hundred years back...on your list, the Grace and the Summit are worthy....the new symetrix is okay...have checked out the John Hardy stuff yet? As for Art Pro MPA's...unfortunately most of the ART stuff is kinda crappy and lowend..and this tends to put a lot of people off on all their products....for an example of how an ART PRO MPA actually sounds, go to the critique area here at RO and page back till you find some of my offerings...listen to em and decide for yourself...the vocals were all done with an MPA direct to harddisk and an Octava MK-319 mic...no eq and very little reverb....peace
     
  18. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    I was going to hold off for a while but because of this thread I went ahead and posted the review on the Sebatron vmp -4000! To be brutaly honest, I just can't find enough good things to say about this mic pre. It has changed my life, I now have all the money I could ever spend, I don't need to change the oil in my car anymore and my wife is completly content and gives me all the sex I can handle ... :D Well not exactly but I hope you get the point. These really are the best sounding mic pres I have ever come across. Anyone who doesn't check these micpres out is missing out on something special. .... Kurt :tu: :tu:
     
  19. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Well-Known Member

    oka. Many thanks for all your nice input.
    I will send a behringer patchbay to all my friends in here
    lol
     
  20. pfarrell

    pfarrell Guest

    In your price range, you really should consider
    the FMR RNP. Two very nice channels of mic
    preamp for $500. I've had mine for six months
    or so, and really like them. Hooks up
    easily to an FMR RNC, so for $700
    you have both. And they site nicely on
    a standard open rack shelf.
     

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