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Mic shootout: redo

Discussion in 'Recording' started by highriser, Oct 22, 2012.

  1. highriser

    highriser Active Member

    Hey guys,
    you may be asking why is he doing this again. Well, the last time I did this, my DAW (cubase) was messing up the sound of all the mics I had so it was not a proper shootout (thanks to GuitarLegend for his time and ears, without him I never would have found the issue).


    So now to get a true representation of what these mics sound like, here is a revamped shootout done in REAPER.


    Which mic sounds best on with my voice?


    These vocals are completely unprocessed the backing track is, so keep in mind I am trying to get the best raw vocal sound out of the mic not post processing.


    I also don't want comments about my performance, this is purely a test to hear the best mic tone I can get.


    Sadly I could not get my hands on the mics from the last shootout but here is what I did get: (not in order)
    Sm7b
    at4040
    rode nt1a


    I am ordering 2 more mics, the ADK vienna and the MXL v67g. When they come I will add them to this shootout.


    mic1a by Adam Mishan on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
    mic2a by Adam Mishan on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
    mic3a by Adam Mishan on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
     
  2. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    i didn't listen to the links. i won't listen to links from RO or for that matter any other audio / recording forums for the simple reasons that 1) music sounds like doo doo on computers and 2) mp3 mp4 blah blah makes music sound like doo doo on computers.

    if you load wave files i'll listen. otherwise it's an exercise in futility.

    but i will kick the ball.

    which one sounds best to you? that's what matters. this all has absolutely zero to do whith what other people think. if that's what you're after go out and invest 10k in a vintage C12 or something of that nature. then we all will be jealous.

    as a self recording artist you really need to hone your own decision making skills. that's this whole endeavor is about.


    good luck choosing a mic.

    which one do you like best?

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  3. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Should you post the waves, dropbox works great.
     
  4. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

  5. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    actually i like to choose mics by what they look like. lol. howdy



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  6. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    lol, I don't share you opinion on this, but here are some beauties, and a good price too:

    MXL® Microphones - Studio Microphones

    there are some that look like a U87 !

    I had a listen and Mic1a is my favourite. Hope that helps.
     
  7. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Well, I like 2 and 3 as well, depending on your eq. How do they take EQ?
     
  8. highriser

    highriser Active Member

    thanks what did you like about it?
     
  9. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Well, Mic1a was clearer but that could be a negative in the Mix. The other two might take EQ better which may or may not be better. If mic1a was too bright in the mix, Mic2 or Mic3 might be better with just a bit of HPF or slight lift in the top end.

    This is why these test really serve little purpose. Follow?
     
  10. highriser

    highriser Active Member

    ok so how would you choose a mic?
     
  11. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    How do they hold out when you belt into them or, sing fast lines? They vary with different preamps and singers too. Or the room you are in?

    You'd be better off asking us what track we like best, with music in them.
     
  12. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    You may be best off just buying an SM58. Chances are, your room acoustics are less than desirable and therefore, a dynamic mic would serve you much better over a low end condenser or any condenser for that matter.

    Hope that helps. Good luck!
     
  13. highriser

    highriser Active Member

    there is music in all the tracks, there is acapella first then in a mix.
    My room is treated, do you hear a problem?
    one of the mics is an sm7 a large dynamic
     
  14. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    My apologizes, I only listened to 5 sec on each one. That's about all my brain will remember between each track when comparing. I choose very quickly. No, I didn't listen for room problems. Nothing popped out at me.

    Before you share the mics, see if others will chime in.

    I'm out for the night.

    Cheers!
     
  15. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Okay, I have a few more minutes.

    I'll guess:

    Mic1a: RODE
    Mic2a: Shure
    Mic3a: Audio Technica
     
  16. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    I personally liked 3 most. It seemed the most balanced of the three. 1 was too brittle to me. 2 was a little too muffled. That being said, it sounded to me like you were way too close to all of the mics. I would have backed away at to at least 10". Part of the tone is delivery and all the examples sounded over all dead to me. Too dead. There's no life there. That's probably due to proximity and partially due the fact that you are holding back. You need to be able to belt it out.

    If you backed up a bit and put some more of your cajones into the singing, it will change the sound again so that also renders this kind of pointless. Your vocals in these examples would be fine for a soft ballad but that's not what you were singing.
     
  17. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    with my ears. i would listen and then pick which one i thought my voice sounded best with.


    thing is, what i think sounds great you might think sounded like ass. that's why i said it's really a choice that should be made by you.

    really though, i do like to start with something that looks really cool. that way other people will go;"gee willakeres kurt, that mic sure looks cool!" :biggrin:

    best bet would be as audiokid mentioned, an SM58! cheap, sounds good on a lot of things and you can use it as a hammer to build a vocal both (remember to use proper room ratios:))

    L. W. Sepmeyer, 1965, 1,00, 1,14, 1,39 ... The Golden Ratio, 1968, 1,00, 1,62, 2, 62. Dolby Lab ... 1,00, 1,49, 2,31. Worst ratio (RPG Inc.) 1,00, 1,07, 1,87 ...





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  18. highriser

    highriser Active Member

    ok so here are clips of the mics this time all equidistant and diaphragm facing me completely.
    I also used dither to avoid any distortion to the tracks.


    If you have time to give your input it would be much appreciated
    mica-1 by Adam Mishan on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
    Micb-1 by Adam Mishan on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
    micC-1 by Adam Mishan on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
     
  19. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    so do i have to be a member of soundcloud to listen? because i can't get those tracks to play.
    (edit at a later time)
    ok. i said i wasn't going to do this but here goes anyway. (my curiosity got the best of me).

    ok so i d/loaded them and to tell the truth i hear a lot of problems none of which would have anything to do with the mics. there's a couple of places where some weird resonances jump out and the sound of the room becomes very evident. pitch and performance distract from the ability to analyze the mics and to be honest i really don't hear much of a difference in any of them. and i got to say "sweet home aba-lama" is about my least favorite rock song in history. if i had a nickel for every time some ignorant drunk slob yelled out "play some skinnard!" i would be able to afford a 2" tape machine and an API. yuck!

    nothing personal Adam but i think you are stressing way too much over a mic choice. buy a good one and make it work for you. you can worry about the nuances of which mic is best later. you have other fish to fry first.

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    (remember to use proper room ratios)

    L. W. Sepmeyer, 1965, 1,00, 1,14, 1,39 ... The Golden Ratio, 1968, 1,00, 1,62, 2, 62. Dolby Lab ... 1,00, 1,49, 2,31. Worst ratio (RPG Inc.) 1,00, 1,07, 1,87 ...


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  20. highriser

    highriser Active Member

    I like number two, it has a nice airy feel to it, does anybody think this is not the one to go with?
     

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