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Mic Signal path

Discussion in 'Recording' started by OneMan, Sep 27, 2001.

  1. OneMan

    OneMan Guest

    I was just wondering what everyone is using for there signal path. Are you using individual boxes or a single channel strip? My signal path for vocals is as follows:
    BLUE Blueberry or Soundelux U97
    BLUE Kiwi cable
    tc electronics GoldChannel
    Monster StudioLink 1000 AES cable
    MOTU 1296.
    There is either a Focusrite ISA110, Dan Alexander 1272, Avalon M5 or the new single channel Universal Audio pre in my future. That with either a Distressor or an HHB Radius 30 to a Midiman Flying Cow or directly to the 1296. Just wanted to know what everyone was using.


    OneMan
     
  2. atlasproaudio

    atlasproaudio Active Member

    Sounds like you have some pretty nice stuff. I use lots of individual boxes that I personally own at my place. I agree that you would find a denser/thicker tone with a nice analog outboard preamp. Are you wanting coloration or neutral clean clarity? Don't count out API or the Vintech 1272, the DW Fearn gear is cream. GML also...lots of world to explore. I would go for the Distressor first and foremost. It's very versatile and is the all around "swiss army knife" we all love it for. Good Luck! :cool:
     
  3. OneMan

    OneMan Guest

    Hey Nathan,
    I already have the Distressor and the HHB as well as a couple of JOEMEEK C2's. I consider my self to be set in the compressor for tracking department. I also have plug ins for mixing. I just want a diffrent sounding preamp from what I already have. Thicker, warmer, sexy, airy, breathy, fat and in-your-face could describe the sound I'm looking for. What would you suggest?

    ps.... what is a single channel api going for?
     
  4. atlasproaudio

    atlasproaudio Active Member

    Originally posted by OneMan:
    I just want a diffrent sounding preamp from what I already have. Thicker, warmer, sexy, airy, breathy, fat and in-your-face could describe the sound I'm looking for. What would you suggest?

    That could describe a multitude of great quality mic pre's. What is your application (instruments/style of music)? I'm not sure if I have yet found a "SM-57" of mic preamps as far as general purpose...that being great for some things and generally good for most things. For Rock and Roll I find myself reaching for a Neve color (for some reason I see Neve coloration as blue...beats me why :)
    The UA 610 is pretty sexy too, it sounds somewhat like a softer API to me .


    ps.... what is a single channel api going for?


    API has a certain system and way of doing things. The more you buy, the relatively cheaper each module becomes because of the power supply costs. They make the 3124 which is a steal at around $600 a channel. If you are planning on buying more API eq's/compressors/preamps in the future buy one of the multiple module racks and fill it slowly. It will be more expensive in the short run, but in a few years you will have built an incredible system that could even eventually be placed in a console.
     
  5. OneMan

    OneMan Guest

    Thanks for the info.


    OneMan
     
  6. Tony C

    Tony C Guest

    Oneman,
    I would also recomend you check out the Great Rivers MP-2NV. For digital applications I find it ads a thick and warm color, yet, still very transparient (see the Mercenary site for more info).
     
  7. miketholen

    miketholen Member

    Thicker, warmer, sexy, airy, breathy, fat and in-your-face
    I would go for a Tab V72.
    http://www.tab-funkenwerk.com/
    ;)
     
  8. planet red

    planet red Active Member

    Anyone know how much a v72 goes for?
     
  9. OneMan

    OneMan Guest

    Is anyone here using a Presonus MP20? It's a lot less money, class A, no dynamics or eq, just pre.
    Any users here? What do you think?


    OneMan
     
  10. Bear's Gone Fission

    Bear's Gone Fission Active Member

    Hey, OneMan, the Presonus is indeed cheeper, but it does not at all meet the tonal criteria you're shooting for. Lots of good suggestions elsewhere in the thread.

    Bear
     
  11. MadMoose

    MadMoose Active Member

    Originally posted by OneMan:
    Is anyone here using a Presonus MP20? It's a lot less money, class A, no dynamics or eq, just pre.
    Any users here? What do you think?


    I have an MP20 and I use it on certain things. Usually overheads, acoustic guitars, percussion etc. It's not horrible but it's not in the same league as an API or the UA. But, I do use it and I have other "better" preamps in my rack.

    I wouldn't really look at the DA 1272's. I used to own a pair and while they sounded good there were some issues surrounding them. If you want a 1272 (for some reason) I'd get either the Vintech or Brent Averill. For about the same price you could get a Vintech X73 or the Chandler 1073 clone. I haven't used either one but I've heard nothing but good things about them.
     
  12. OneMan

    OneMan Guest

    Jay,
    Thanks for the info...Next question; "anybody using any of the Earthworks pres?" Specifically the LAB101. What do you think and what would you compare it to?

    OneMan
     
  13. MadMoose

    MadMoose Active Member

    I've used one of the Earthworks stereo pres at another studio near here. It's clean. Scary clean and fast too. It sounded like someone put silicone spray in the cabling or something. I can say that it was probably as close to a straight wire with gain that I've ever used. It's not something I would buy for myself. I like more color. The Dakings or an Avalon 737 are clean enough for me.
     
  14. OneMan

    OneMan Guest

    I recently became interested in the Earthworks, Grace design and the Great River pres because of suggestions I got from this forum. I was in the midst of doing some research when I had an opportunity to borrow an Avalon M5. as I mentioned earlier I already have a Distressor and a Radius 30 for dynamics. My recorder is DP with a 1296. I run my mic straight to my pre and then split the outs, one to a patch bay for routing to the comps and then to the 1296 and the second to my console for monitoring. Unless the pre has an insert, there is no way to get the compressor on both of the outs at once. My first pre is a channel strip so all of my dynamics are built in. What other pres besides the Presonus MP20/VXP have inserts and for those that don't, what is your work around?

    OneMan
     
  15. OneMan

    OneMan Guest

    Never mind...I'll just split the outs from the comp
    instead.

    OneMan
     
  16. Rich Davidian

    Rich Davidian Active Member

    I recently became interested in the Earthworks, Grace design and the Great River pres because of suggestions I got from this forum.

    I'll add my 2 pennies here...
    I am WAY impressed with the Great River MP-2NV pre.

    I've owned he MP-2MH model for 2-3 years now (perhaps the single best purchase I've made for my humble home/project studio) and the NV ups the ante! I won't comment much further cuz I'm just now putting it through its paces and doing some comparative tests to see how *I* might want to use it.
    But at first glance, 2 things strike me:
    1. SOLID build quality and features I'm just learning to appreciate.
    2. A mystical ARRAY of sounds are possible once you learn the control you have via the front panel. I suspect this will turn out to be really important for the budget-minded.

    [Dan, you gotta give the newbie more info in the accompanying print.]

    FWIW, I'll try to offer more insights later, but for now I feel like I'm just scratching the surface. I'd love to hear from others who have found specific uses for this thing.

    It appears that DK has struck again!

    Best...
    Rich
    Stolen Moments Audio
     
  17. OneMan

    OneMan Guest

    Rich,
    What is your mic(s) of choice? What style of music? What are you recording to?


    OneMan
     
  18. nodell

    nodell Guest

    I have a similar question on the mic signal path and female vocals:

    Here's my current path:
    AT4033a --> Presonus Digimax --> ADAT Bridge (24 bit) --> ProTools

    At normal signing volumes, I think the vocal sounds quite good (rich tone). But as she picks up volume and sings some of the louder parts of songs the vocal gets real thin. It loses alot of the warmth. Does anyone have any ideas/thoughts that I could use to improve this? (I assume a better mic or mic pre would help in this but I'm not sure where to start).

    - neil
     
  19. Rich Davidian

    Rich Davidian Active Member

    OneMan sez:
    What is your mic(s) of choice? What style of music? What are you recording to?


    As I said - I've just barely begun to use the 2NV.

    Mostly jazz & R&B. Some folk & classical. I record thru external pres to ADAT XT-20's and monitor thru a Mackie 8bus. Lex verbs, RNC, Speck EQ's, and monitor thru 824's.

    So far:
    TLM 103's on male & female vox parallel to MP-2MH and MP-2NV.
    RE-20 on male vox.
    KM84's ORTF and RE-20 on Leslie 147.

    Next, I'll be checking out 77dx's, BK-5B's, Royer 121, Wright omni's, Senn 421, KSM 32's, etc.

    On EGtr, grand piano, sax, trumpet, bone.

    When I get the chance I know I should try elec bass thru the DI.

    I sense there are some surprises in store, but I'm reserving comment til I can offer clearer insights.

    Film at 11.

    Best...
     
  20. OneMan

    OneMan Guest

    Thanks for the info

    OneMan
     

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