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MicPre Challange / reposted locked

Discussion in 'Preamps / Channel Strips' started by Outlaws, Nov 13, 2003.

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  1. Outlaws

    Outlaws Guest

    Here are two samples. One is an inexpensive micpre of sorts, and the other one in the 2 channels for a $1000 catagory.

    Lets see if the money is worth it...

    The equipment is a Telecaster into a SuperReverb with a bit of the amps reverb. There is no processing before or after tracking.

    [ November 16, 2003, 01:56 PM: Message edited by: Kurt Foster ]
  2. Outlaws

    Outlaws Guest

    Anyone want to stake a claim in where the money is at?
  3. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    One is brighter sounding, more metalic sounding.. Two is warmer sounding and not as brittle..

    They both sound like non transformer type solid state pres.. and they are very close in sound...

    I don't care much for either, but I think perhaps two is best but like I said, I don't really care for either..
  4. mjones4th

    mjones4th Active Member

    methinks its numero dos tambien
  5. ckevperry

    ckevperry Active Member

    I prefer 2. Number one is edgy and as kurt said, "metallic."

    WHat preamps are we listening to? Mic? Converters? There are other factors at play here.
  6. Outlaws

    Outlaws Guest

    Really there are no other factorers at play here. There are a million microphones out there and there are a million A/D converters. There are a million rooms and a million different settings on a guitar amp. Not to muntion a million different guitars.

    You just have to pick one of each and use everything in the same manner. Which I did. Same guitar w/same controls, same amp w/same sttings, same mic in the same place, the pre was obviously switched, and the same A/Ds into the same recorder.
  7. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    You don't say what mic you are using either.. a crap mic into the best pre in the world can make a baaaad sound! Like I said, both sounds weren't the greatest guitar tone I have ever heard..

    Also posting them as two seperate samples, makes it difficult to instantaniously switch between them. If you had posted it as one continuous stream, it would have been easier to compare them.

    So what pres and mic are we talking about??
  8. keithricker

    keithricker Guest

    A full understanding of gain staging and proper routing is essential in order to properly evaluate different tools; Balanced line outs to true balanced line ins, etc.

    Especially when you're comparing something as subtle as the differences between two mic preamps.

    There's just no way around it. Put one more stage in the audio path that doesn't belong there, and suddenly, the impedence and loading characteristics change, and the sound will be noticeably affected and you no longer have a valid comparison. I'm not going in to full details, but I'm sure you understand what I'm getting at. ;) ;)
  9. Outlaws

    Outlaws Guest

    Well its not a crap mic. I like the mic so that case is settled.

    Moon Unit Sound.............. :c:
  10. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    I still want to know what mic it is, crap or not.. why hide it? BTW, I never said it was a crap mic.. I said crap mics into good pres can make a bad sound.. sooo sensitive.. :D

    I thought this was a mic pre comparison?.. It's hard to guess what pre it is without knowing what mic you are using. The sound we are hearing is a combination of the mic and the pre .. difficult to separate the two without knowing what is what.. :confused:

    Is this a mic & pre "test", a micpre "test" or just a "test" ?
  11. ffynnon

    ffynnon Guest

    Love it outlaws, you've made my week :) :) :)
  12. Outlaws

    Outlaws Guest


    Happy. I know it doesn't have the best reputation.

    One pre is a Davisound TB10, the other is a stock 1680 pre.
  13. ffynnon

    ffynnon Guest

    He didn't ask you to guess which pre it is. He asked which clip you prefered. There's a big difference in those two questions.
  14. Outlaws

    Outlaws Guest

    Thanks. People seem to get overly picky with this stuff. Most people don't have a "studio"...they have "studio" in the space not ocupied by the bed.
  15. ffynnon

    ffynnon Guest

    Love the box it's in, wish I could afford one :)

    By the way, it beats me how any one could prefer clip 2 over clip one. There's a point in clip 2 where 2 notes are howling off each other like banshees. Now that's a bad pre which ever way you look at it.
  16. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    A lot of attitude on this thread.. mmmm kay.

    So is #1 the Davisound and #2, of course the 1680? I am ignorant of that classification (1680) do you mean a Mackie 1604?

    I liked #2 a little better, in spite of the "howeling", because it was a bit warmer and not as "tinney" sounding. The howeling was probably the mic and it wasn't as prevalent in the first sample becuse of lower pre amp resolution. I hate brittle and bright. The inexpierenced ear usually percives bright as better but I have learned to be cautious of it.. In the end it usually ends up as harsh and cold sounding..

    BTW Outlaws, here's a picture of my "studio" I ran for over ten years. It is closed down now as of 1999, and I am retired, but I still have a "home studio" that occupies the family room (for a CR) and an ofice (for drums and iso) of my home..
  17. Outlaws

    Outlaws Guest

    Well, I didn't actually tell anyone yet which sample is which......

    But the 1680 is a Roland.
  18. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Thanks ... I wuzz a-scratchin' muh head on that one ... :D
  19. ffynnon

    ffynnon Guest

    Well Kurt... In my opinion the'inexperienced ear' perceives warm as howling. Now you can take that as 'attitude' or the opinion of a 50 year old musician that's suffered the attentions of cloth eared 'Professional sound engineers' all of his career. Now I have the chance to buy the kit and I can finally have complete control over my music. And low and behold.. the self same engineers are trying to tell me, that I don't know what music sounds like, because I don't own the right gear. Here we go again, I don't think... Get with the beat man. It's only a matter of time before the charts are filled with hits recorded on solid state, cheap opamp crammed kit. It's not the gear it's the music. The music industry has never given a flying f**k for sound quality. Someone, somewhere got lucky and recorded Elvis, The Beatles, The Stones... and every 'out in the sticks Joe sound engineer' had to try and come up with the sound that was in the charts. you just don't get it do you. It was the Music not the gear. Are you really trying to tell me that people
    wouldn't have listened to Billy Holliday or Hank Williams beacause the recording engineer had made the wrong choice of equipment....
  20. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Sheesh! What phase is the moon in? LOL :roll:

    Rock on JD! Use what ever gear you want.. it makes no difference to me. Buy your kit and use it.. Who’s stopping you? I'm not reaching through your computer and grabbing you by the collar, telling you to do what I say.. Please just state your opinions and instead of attacking mine, give your reasons for having them and leave it at that. Save this lifetime of resentment against recording engineers for someone else. I am not the one who fu*ked up your life.

    Yes, I am saying in the old days, recordings were regularly passed on by record labels because the quality was sub standard.. the Beatles is a prime example.. they recorded those live tapes in Hamburg.. and George Martin re recorded them.. If what you say is true, why didn't EMI just put out those live tapes? Because they sounded bad.. I seriously doubt that cheap gear will ever repace stuff like Neves and APIs.. GR etc.. that stuff sounds very good and I am sure if you had it you would gladly use it. It’s not my fault good gear is expensive.

    It seems you resent my opinion.. well, I am not going to change it just because yours or others feelings get hurt. If you don’t want someones opinion, don’t ask for validation. Because you are not going to hear that the gear doesn’t matter from any recording engineer that knows his stuff. It really is a no brainer. Talent first, yes ... but good gear counts too.
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