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Midi instability!! Help!!!!!

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Randman, Mar 2, 2001.

  1. Randman

    Randman Guest

    Hi everyone I'm having some problems trying to convert my midi data to audio without flutter or inconsistant sync it speeds up slows down just by a few msec, but never the lees I get a inconsistant flanging effect. If it was consistant I could at least adjust the latancy and be off. I've recorded all my drum tracks into midi and am playing it back through a DM5 and Korg trinity module asigned to different midi channels. I'm using Cakewalk 9.03 as my sequancer and have tried just about every recording software out there at a working mans price. Cubase,Nuendo,Creamware,and I'm curently using Vegas audio. They all do the same thing! I've tryed CWalk as master, slave, internal, MTC 30ndrop even gone to stipping a track with simpte. I've used two computers one running CWalk and the other running the audio platform no go! It sounds fine if I mix and record all the drums into one stereo track. PIII 933 U/W scsi Layla 24, Help!!!!
     
  2. Ang1970

    Ang1970 Well-Known Member

    Are you trying to play the same sounds at the same time?
     
  3. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Hey Ang your back lol!

    Sounds like midi feedback! It only makes sence if your hearing a flanging effect, your getting two of the same at once. You must be getting midi feedback. This will cause a delay in timing, jittering effect, freezing etc. Check to make sure your not sending and receiving midi data at the same time.

    :cool:
     
  4. Nate Tschetter

    Nate Tschetter Active Member

    I couldn't make heads or tails of this when I first read it. To me, it seemed like he was recording the audio output of the synths and playing back while the MIDI was still going. If this is the case, perhaps muting the MIDI will fix things.
     
  5. Randman

    Randman Guest

    Yes I was trying to play two samples at once one picolo snare for a slight ring and another harder hitting sample asigned to different channels of coarse.They sound great play thru the modules but when I atempt to record them from midi into audio they flange.My problem was tring to get the midi data to sync perfectly in the audio window. Its out by a few mills 2 here 4 there I guess I'm being way too fussy considering midi is an old and unexacting methed. I just thought one of you recording guru's may have found a magic formula for tight and exact midi timing. But this is as good as it gets until someone reinvents midi I guess!!
     
  6. Ang1970

    Ang1970 Well-Known Member

    Yup. MIDI ain't the tightest sync in the box. But maybe you can get it a little closer.

    What are you using to spit out MIDI? If it's a usb based interface, drop that zero asap. Firewire is a much more promising format once manufacturers get around to it. But the old tried-and-true is still the serial interface.

    Some older boxes, especially ones with lot's of ins&outs are inherently sloppy. A newer interface, or one with less i/o's could track a bit faster. The unitor8 interface from emagic supposedly buffers events and spits them out in sync. Haven't had a chance to test that one out yet.

    And finally, by far, the best timing you can have is to bypass the MIDI altogether. You already have a DAW, why not just record one sound of the snare, line that up, and fly it down the whole track? You can have sample accurate sync that way. If it's a live performance on the first track, you will either have to fly in each hit manually (pain) or get a program such as Sound Replacer to automatically insert the new sound.

    Hope that helps.
     
  7. Randman

    Randman Guest

    Hi ANG1970 I was using a home made muti port inteface that I built, It's a serial port jobby. Im using a software iterface by Sonic Foundry and It seems to be preforming better than the homemade one. It's not any better or worse than one of the manufactured muti port ones. I had been considering flying them in as you sugested, not too taxing for the snares but I was using two Hi hat samples as well and 8th,16th notes are an editing nightmare. I was hoping to keep edits to a minimal. Ha! Ha! Any how I will look into this Sound Replacer and see if it will help the cause. Thank you all for your response.Randman
     
  8. Paul Jenner

    Paul Jenner Guest

    >>Yes I was trying to play two samples at once one picolo snare for a slight ring and another harder hitting sample asigned to different channels of coarse.They sound great play thru the modules but when I atempt to record them from midi into audio they flange.<<

    Hi there Randman.

    To me this sounds like you're computersequencer cannot keep the midi flow in sync when the host processor has other things to do, like recording an audio file. Is this a correct assumption of the way you're doing things and about your setup ?

    If so, I sequence with an Atari running Cubase 19-Flintstone, and record the two-track output of my console in a separate pc. Wholeheartedly recommended. NEVER out of sync or timing problems ! No crashes either.

    PC's are known to provide mediocre midi timing. An Atari IS rocksolid.

    Hope this helps,

    regards,


    Paul.
     
  9. Nate Tschetter

    Nate Tschetter Active Member

    Howdy

    Yeah, thats true. I remember back in the '90s (was it THAT long ago) doing alot of our "polishing" sessions in Japan. The British and German guys I worked with swore up and down on their Ataris running Notator or Cubase. Gotta admit, they were pretty damn solid.
     

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