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Midi question

Discussion in 'Recording' started by hafsteinn, Mar 13, 2006.

  1. hafsteinn

    hafsteinn Guest

    here is midi related question,

    i have an electric kit and i want to seperate each percussion input on it unto my pc so i can

    a) pan them so the wont be in mono
    b) Use drumagog to exchange the drumkits sound for drumkit from hell (sample pack)

    i connect the module unto m-box and the m-box is connected to the pc via usb. I how can i separete every drum signal beat unto a seperate channel?
     
  2. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    What you want to do can be done, but it's not as easy as recording something then just punching a few buttons.

    The first and most important question is, "are you recording midi data or audio data...or both?"

    I'm going to assume you are only recording audio because you mention panning and drumagog. I am also going to assume that you are taking the stereo output of your electric kit and sending that to the Mbox.

    Because your drum brain mixes all the drums together and outputs them in a stereo mix, what you need is a way to isolate drums so that they are not all mixed together and that has to be done in the drum brain.

    First, record the MIDI data of you playing your drums. The entire drum kit can be on one MIDI channel...it won't cause any problems.

    Now that you have the MIDI notes from your performance, you can use that to trigger sounds using drumagog or many other drum sample playback plugins. However you probably still want to be able to record your drum sounds from your drum brain on individual channels...so read on.

    Now what you need to do to get individual sounds on individual tracks is go into your drum brain and isolate 2 drum sounds, like just the kick and snare. Take all the other drum sounds and disable them, turn them off or all the way down so that they don't make a sound. In the brain pan the kick drum so that it only comes out the left side and then pan the snare so that it only comes out the right side.

    In your DAW set it up so that the left input goes to channel 1 and the right input goes to channel 2 (the channels can be any ones you wish).

    Now playback your track while recording channels 1 and 2. The recorded MIDI data should be sent out to your drum brain triggering the sounds. Since you've set up the brain to only output the kick and snare, that's all it will send out and when you are done you should have 2 tracks, one with the kick drum and one with the snare.

    Repeat this procedure for each drum in your kit until all have been recorded. If you've got a good sounding ekit, you may want to keep the toms grouped together in stereo and the same with the cymbals, just to lessen the number of passes you would need to make.
     
  3. hafsteinn

    hafsteinn Guest

    i actually have a midi output from the module to the mbox to the pc,

    wont that affect this process?
     
  4. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    Yes. You are actually going to need to use that. When you record your drums the first go around...you should also record the MIDI data.
     
  5. hafsteinn

    hafsteinn Guest

    im having problems with the m box not being supported by cubase and also the usb cable that connects from the mbox to the pc

    following your directions, i could use the usb port rigth on the m box to record - it should take the signals from the module through mbox?

    or am i just completely lost
     
  6. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    you've got it right. the USB should handle the data transfer between the Mbox and computer.

    I don't use an Mbox, so i wouldn't be much help with anything specific on that unit... sorry. :(
     
  7. hafsteinn

    hafsteinn Guest

    thats alrigth man , youve been a great help anyways, thanks
     
  8. hafsteinn

    hafsteinn Guest

    recording the midi worked, each percussion instrument showed up seperatly on the cubase sx midi drummap.

    Each sound sounds like a computer bleep though

    And i have no idea how to change the sound for the percussion instruments, to import sounds - i have drumagog vst , but no idea how it works


    im a cubase noob
     
  9. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    I can help with that...I think. Set up Drumagog as a VST instrument. Then on your midi channel, there should be a setting for it's output. You want to set that to output to the drumagog.

    I don't know exactly what settings in Drumagog you need to have it trigger by MIDI, but the forum on their site might have that info.
     

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