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Miking the monitors

Discussion in 'Monitoring / Headphones' started by Guitarfreak, Apr 2, 2009.

  1. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Has anyone done or heard of such a technique? I was thinking of ways to brighten a mix and I thought about setting up two mics and pointing them at the tweeters and recording the entire mix just before mixdown. Maybe halfway between the tweeters and woofers for less bite. Or I expanded on the idea and thought maybe you could set up a decca tree and throw it across the room to capture some warmth or pan them to get some extra stereo effects.

    Does anything like this ever happen? Or am I dreaming? Forgive me for the silly question, I have Boredom-ADD sometimes, so I just sit there and think of stuff to do.
     
  2. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    I've heard of bands who record themselves live by close miking their PA stacks, but never heard of it in a studio. Seems improbable the monitors would sound any better than the source. Seems like a lot of grief to essentially EQ something, but go nuts and let us know how it turns out.
     
  3. Halifaxsoundguy

    Halifaxsoundguy Active Member

    Sounds interesting, test it out and let us know.
     
  4. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    I would! Except I don't have the green for a nice pair of studio monitors yet, I mean I could, but it probably wouldn't sound good...at all. I've been very busy lately, so if I get the chance within the next week or so I will try it out and let you guys hear some samples if it comes out alright. 8)
     
  5. Halifaxsoundguy

    Halifaxsoundguy Active Member

    If I can find time I'll try it. Give me a week.
     
  6. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    Not that it will do anyone else much good because there will be a thousand variables making it unrepeatable for anyone else.

    But if you can, please provide the 'before' and 'after' recordings.
     
  7. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    You got it chief. Plus, don't the variables make it an art? I mean just look at all the techniques for miking a guitar cab...
     
  8. cfaalm

    cfaalm Active Member

    It is a well known technique for bringing a bit of life into the sound of a drummachine or triggered samples. They did this in the 80s on Linn drums and Simmons pads. These had a way of sounding very sterile. Re-recording them through the studio monitors added some real air to the sound.

    You can probably do this with any material that you think would benefit from this. I can imagine anything you close miked or DI'ed and want to add some natural room sound to. It is a bit like reamping a DI'ed guitar.

    There is one album of which I know where they did that with the Linn drums or so the band leader Andy Latimer said in an interview. Camel : Stationary Traveller. I think they did it on the track called Missing.
     
  9. pmolsonmus

    pmolsonmus Well-Known Member

    Adding live tracks to the pre-existing mix played through monitors was done all the time as well. That's the famous Phil Spector wall-of-sound sound.

    Handled properly can be a nice effect. Moderation is the key grasshopper.

    Phil
     
  10. Music_Junky

    Music_Junky Active Member

    I thought about doing this for midi drums to try and get some room feel in the track but eventually recorded live drums cuz midi drums always suck in my ears :)
     
  11. ouzo77

    ouzo77 Active Member

    i've read that the chlili peppers played back the drums through a big pa system, recorded it and blended it to the "normal" drums. you can hear that effect on blood, sugar, sex, magik.

    i'm sure you can achieve similar effects with recording your monitors.
     
  12. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Hmm, the song or the entire album? Wow, it sounds like I was onto something, too bad it's already been discovered...
     
  13. soapfloats

    soapfloats Well-Known Member

    I've used a similar technique when I didn't have enough mics/channels to set up a room mic for the drums.
    Since I record in the sanctuary of a church, I have a large space to use - so I send the drum mix to a PA, crank it, and put a couple of mics up in the room.

    It's worked pretty well for that purpose. I'm sure the effect is lessened as the room gets smaller, but hey.
     
  14. ouzo77

    ouzo77 Active Member

    i think it was on the entire album, though the blending level might differ from song to song.
    i would compress the hell out of that "ambience" track and mix it to taste.
     
  15. soapfloats

    soapfloats Well-Known Member

    Good point ouzo, I forgot to mention that.

    I typically do compress that "reamped" drum room mic track decently.
    I'm rarely heavy w/ compression, but that track gets about as much or more than anything else.
     
  16. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    What is considered "heavy" compression? 15-20dB? or more?

    I just don't know what the limits are, like the compressor in Logic goes to possible -60dB, but I don't think anyone would ever use that...so where is the cutoff from normal to unusable compression.
     
  17. ouzo77

    ouzo77 Active Member

    if it sounds good to you it's enough!
     

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