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Mogami studio cable or a Monster P500 cable

Discussion in 'Accessories / Connections' started by ddaydaniel, Aug 22, 2010.

  1. ddaydaniel

    ddaydaniel Guest

    Just got a akg perception 220 an cant make my mind up about a Mogami studio cable or a Monster P500 cable if anyone knows what would be the better cable id appreciate the advice.
     
  2. ddaydaniel

    ddaydaniel Guest

    nobody at all huh lol
     
  3. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    It's a $200 mic. Don't sweat it. Buy any mic cable of reasonable quality. It doesn't have to be Mogami but if you can afford it, sure. Why not? A Mogami or Monster cable will probably outlive that mic.
     
  4. ddaydaniel

    ddaydaniel Guest

    ive just heard before you can have an expensive mic an all but not gunna get the full quality unless you gotta good cable ta go with it an from what ive been told monster and mogami is pry the best plus the lifetime waranty lol
     
  5. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    IMHO Monster products are WAY overpriced, Mogami cables are available with pretty good pricing if you shop around. High quality mics can benefit from a high quality cable. But that AKG will do fine with a reliable cable from a name brand like Rapco, rapco, or Whirlwind.
     
  6. ddaydaniel

    ddaydaniel Guest

    alright thanks for the input appreciate it
     
  7. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    If you get a chance then demo a Vovox microphon cable.
    It is the only cable of quite a number I tested ( and bought half a dozen ) that improves the sound of, I guess, any mic.
    I never believed it till I heard it, together with 17 rather sceptical Senior engineers and Tonmeisters.
    There is a lot of discussion out there about cable & sound... but I suggest just try it...
    IDK how they do it, but it works...
     
  8. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Still looking forward to seeing VOVOX here in Canada. Definitely want to be using VOVOX for all my hybrid DAW interconnect cable. I have about 1000' of Accusound coming. Using this for 100' runs and shorter for instrument and mics.

    I'm with Hueseph on the $200 mic.
     
  9. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    There are four clearly distinguishable differences between cables:
    1. Shielding
    2. Durability
    3. Ergonomics (how the cord feels, wraps, lays on the floor)
    4. Price
    Generally all good cables do well on 1 and 2, so you choose based on 3 and 4.

    As far as sound goes the null hypothesis is that there is absolutely no audible difference between cables. If that is false, it should be easy to prove. You just do a blind ABX test and show statistically significant differences between identification of the cables. This would be easy to set up and would not require expensive equipment beyond what people usually have in a recording studio or audio lab. If anyone can point me to such tests between any brands of cables with any group of listeners, I'd be interested. I have to believe that every major cable manufacturer has done such a test. For some reason they don't feel it is to their advantage to use the results in their advertising.
     
  10. Speedskater

    Speedskater Active Member

    I would add one more important difference to Bob Rogers list:

    Symmetry
    Neil Muncy pointed out some time ago "shield-current-induced-noise" (SCIN) where the drain wire is closer to one signal wire than the other.
     
  11. MadMax

    MadMax Well-Known Member

    All things considered...

    Mogami, Canare, Gepco, and REDCO are all top to upper shelf cable. You need to learn to fix your own anyway... so buy bulk, and make your own as needed.

    I'm not a shill for either one, but check out Have Inc and REDCO. Good folks... good pricing... good products, and I've purchased from both.
     
  12. Speedskater

    Speedskater Active Member

    Let's add "Markertek" as another good long time vendor of audio/video cables.
     
  13. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Love your top 4 list Bob! So true. We should try and find some solid proof. I've never used VOVOX but everyone that has, claims they definitely hear a difference. How they feel and lay is something I forgot to ask.

    Big K, how did Bob's 3 and 4 measure up?
    For Accursound, all 4 came out on top on a pretty deep debate over at PSW. When mine arrive, I'll definitely let us all know.
     
  14. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Sorry if I'm side railing this topic but it has evolved into different opinions of cable, one that I'm particularly interested in and investing in at this time.
    I tend to agree that the sonic differences between one good cable company and another may not matter after a point, that Bob's top 4 list with 3 and 4 taking priority to the buying factor makes total sense. Spending big bucks on high end cable like VOVOX, or even some of the others mentioned for a low end home studio is really senseless. It could be that they may even add noise because you are using other poor gear...
    I have 20 year old mogami mic cable that is still around. But, for me, I definitely want the edge because I am investing in high end ITB and OTB so its more important, and a thrill to get the best I can afford. I'm also very interested in sharing my opinions based on what I believe in from reading the forums over the years here and use personally. My opinions could come across as shilling, but I really am only seeking out gear I want in my well planned hybrid studio at this point in my life. I have the opportunity to get a lot of the pro audio gear out there because I own this site, but choose only to use and focus on what I think is good for me for the direction I am heading and feel music is heading at this point in history. Thought I'd share that for those wondering, since I am the owner of this site. Anyway, here's an interesting thread about VOVOX:

    Forum - GENERAL DISCUSSIONS : Music Recording Technology
     
  15. Speedskater

    Speedskater Active Member

    Wow, it sounds like VOVOX is not something anyone would want in their system.
     
  16. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    As I said, the debates about cables and sound are endless. In Nuendo forum there is approx. 400 posts topic which dealt with that...
    I just turned 50 and I am musician for 36 years and professionally into electronics since 1976. I've seen and heard a lot and most of it was hoax or extremely exaggerated. We have done a scrutinising blind test in a friends excellent studio, cheating was impossible with 18 seasoned engineers and prizewinners watching every line, move and setting. Not one ! said he didn't hear it.. everytime when switching forth and back! All of them could hear an improvement. Same with the instrument cable.

    Cables are different. And when doing a cancellation test ( as exact as it gets) the signal from a Mogami and the Vovox did not cancel out!
    The vovox transmitted some other (more) bass frequencies and a nice section on the higher end more, too. The overall level of the received signal was slightly higher, as well. Since there is no active electronic inside the cable it must be the material or the treatment they sure keep as a secret. Tell you what, I don't care as long as I can hear it.

    The cable is covered with a fabricmash. It is very well build and should be good for many years of studio work. They use Neutrik plugs and the handling is slightly different from standart cables with rubber/plastic coating , but certainly no show stopper...

    There are multicores out , now, too. Maybe next year...
    The price, well, not cheap, but well worth the costs. Considering the help it gives you with EQing and the overall improvement of the sound it is still justifiable to spend those bucks on it... Dirk Brauner took it as cable comming with his microphones...for good reasons..

    I am just not all that sure with their power cords ... lol...
    Here some Thomann online store prices...

    Search Results - Page 1 - U.K. International Cyberstore


    I just read quickly through the link you gave us.
    It is amazing how similar all the post about this topic are. Some never accept what others hear and don't agree on testing methods or findings... This is eternally anal, all the time..and tiring.
    I have shielded and unschielded ones and neither has any problems with IR, but if you hold your cell-phone near it and push the preamp up high, there might tbe something you can hear... Yaaawwwnnnn..
    And for some this being different is better and for some it is just...different...so what....
    After all, there IS a difference and that is heavy argument is this discussion, which I will end for me, now...
    You be the judge of better or not better sound, using your own setup and ears...
     
  17. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    Sorry Big K, but a single-blind A/B test with a group response - and the group made up of people with their professional reputation on the line - is a pretty good recipe for confirmation bias. (You think that any audio professional is going to admit that he can't hear something that "everyone else" hears?) I've seen a lot of tests like this fall apart when replaced with a double blind A/B/X test. There may well be a difference, but I'll believe it when I see a real scientifically valid test.
     
  18. Speedskater

    Speedskater Active Member

    If we have 10 mic cables and 9 of them more or less sound about the same, but the 10th one sounds very different, I would suspect that it's defective or poorly designed or has something more than just wire in it.
     
  19. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    ---------------------------

    See? That is what I mean...
    It is inconceivable to some that a person or a group can notice a difference without being impaired by group respose or "something the brain does" to him.
    As I said, there are measerable differences and I hear those as better sounding... so did this group of engineers, every single one man enough to stand up and say : Hoax!! I don't hear it...
    In fact, most of them just waited impatiently to tear the Vovox representativ apart and send him back to Swizzerland tarred and feathered. None of which happened....
    Btw, the difference was audible enough that we do not speak of esotheric mysticism...
    Now, whyle you wait for an scientific bombproof test ( which then will be ripped appart by somebody else), I keep enjoing what I've got.. Good cables..
    :)
     
  20. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    In my previous life, I was an R&D analyst for the Ford Motor Co. We ran double-blind tests in various locations in the Southeast to ascertain which decisions to make regarding ergonomics of auto interior layouts, color choices, and the like. We understood that a single-blind test was subject to peer group
    bias and thus totally biased (and useless). During that time, I would travel to various trade shows and watch car manufacturers do these dumbass "single-blind" tests using professional racing drivers and the like, right out in the open to impress the general public witnessing them. We'd just stand there and laugh!
     

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