I'm beginning to realize that one of the big things that seperates the men from the boys is this "mood and vibe".. every pro album obviously has a different one, but they all have one. Most amateur recordings are seriously lacking in this department, among other things. But what creates it? Obviously each person will have his or her own take on this, and obviously the performers and arrangement are a large part of it, but I'm talking about it mainly from a production standpoint. I think I've come to the conclusion that the reverbs and delays play a HUGGEE part of this. I'm listening to Lost Prophets - The Fake Sound of Progress right now, and there's just something about the vocal reverb(and even the drum reverb) that does something for the vibe and mood that I just can't describe, nor duplicate in my own recordings. Obviously, like I said, the guy's voice and his melodies and their arrangements and everything else plays in to this, but I feel like even with all that being the same, the vibe would be completely different if the reverbs/delays/etc were different. But how? why? I'll use another example that I have been trying to figure out for a few days now... try to bear with me cause I know everyone here pretty much despises heavy music, hopefully you guys can put that aside for a second and just look at the vibe factor. There's this band, "I Killed The Prom Queen" and they have this album called "music for the recently deceased" cliche I know but that's not the point, the point is, the whole album has this incredibly dark vibe. And I don't mean dark as in it is run through a low pass or something, I mean dark is in it has this nighttime depressed autumn/winter feel to it. Call me crazy, but that's what I get from it. But I can't figure out WHY or HOW they did it. You can listen to it on their myspace or something, although the myspace player is really garbage so I don't know how accurate a test that would be. Again here, I think it's something to do with the vocal reverb, the drum reverb, and something in the guitars and/or bass. Here it's even less about the actual songs and more about the production - I could record a cover of this with a close guitar tone, simliar drums, similiar vocals... and it still wouldn't have the vibe that this does. Hopefully this will morph into an interesting discussion. And even more hopefully I will learn a bit more about what I'm talking about from all you guys (And girls).