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MOTU 002 ... I mean 828

Discussion in 'Recording' started by SonOfSmawg, Feb 19, 2001.

  1. SonOfSmawg

    SonOfSmawg Well-Known Member

    Ang & I were in chat for hours last night.
    He went into the MOTU sight while we were chatting, and told me about a new product he was looking-at that he hadn't seen before, something brand new. As he read it, he gave me the highlights. We were amazed. It appears as though MOTU decided to make the 001 the way it should have been done in the first place...it's the MOTU 828, for Firewire, at only $800 list!
    Are you considering buying 001? Are you looking to upgrade from 001? Well, this is definately worth your time to check-out, and might just be a possibility for you. Since it's new, it may be a while before we can get any users' reviews on it, but from all practical first appearances, it looks like we may have a winner here!
    If anyone has any useful imformation to share with us on the MOTU 828, please do so.
    If you have purchased one and are using it,
    PLEASE give us a review!!!
     
  2. chris lannon

    chris lannon Guest

    I know a couple of guys high on the 828... but thier lips are sealed :)

    NDA's

    Keep an eye on Metric Halo and thier firewire interface (Mobile i/o) $1400...yeah..'spensive but rumor has it.

    a PCI card for running FX to boot.

    I reserve the right to be full of ****.

    (grin)

    cl
     
  3. Ang1970

    Ang1970 Well-Known Member

    The 828 will sport a lightpipe input. So you could stick a RME into it and have 16 ins for $2250. 8 (supposedly) as good as apogee, 8 (supposedly) as good as the 1224. You could do some serious tracks if it sounds that good (and actually works).

    Did I mention the software supports SMPTE?

    Digi better get their act together.
     
  4. SonOfSmawg

    SonOfSmawg Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Ang, I remember our discussion about the RME. 16 i/o...YES!!! The SMPTE feature has been a major topic of "begging" on the DUC regarding 001. Too bad digi doesn't listen. At least someone did!

    Chris,
    When you wrote, "I know a couple of guys high on the 828... but thier lips are sealed :)", I was a little confused. Are you saying that you know guys who designed it, or guys who are using it? And, why are their lips sealed? If you have info on it, or know someone who does, please help us out, here! The basic product info is out...no need for sealed lips! Let's be the ones to have the "scoop" on this hot, new product! PLEEEEEEEEZZZZ...
     
  5. Tony C

    Tony C Guest

    "Supposedly" 1224, right. Acording to the specs I've seen on the 828 it's more similar to the 2408, NOT the 1224.. Just my 2 cents.. :cool:
     
  6. chris lannon

    chris lannon Guest

    Hi Smawg

    I wish I could get them to talk!! Problem is even though the ads are out i don't think the code has been frozen yet. So if they were to talk they run the risk of disscussiong a product that may not be the one that goes to market. That could be trouble
     
  7. alphajerk

    alphajerk Active Member

    i think the 1224 is similar to the 2408. now the RME maybe better than the 1296 and the apogee ad8k. how about a 2408 with 3 RME's for 24 in at once? dont need that many inputs, then 2 RME's for 16 plus another 8 on the 2408 if needed.
     
  8. Tony C

    Tony C Guest

    alphajerk,
    Don't under estamate the 1224, though it doesn't have the conections the 2408 has it's audio resolution is superior. RME, better than the 1296 (or even the 1224), I dought it. .....
     
  9. alphajerk

    alphajerk Active Member

    i dont know about that, the RME ADI-8DS is getting great reviews from people who have them, WAY better than a 1224 [the ADAC they REPLACED]. the only thing missing is some good metering, motu's is only slightly better...

    check out http://www.audiomidi.com/hardware/rme/adi8ds/comparison.pdf they are putting against an AD8K which the 1296 doesnt compete with [or maybe it does...]
     
  10. Tony C

    Tony C Guest

    alphajerk
    Yes, I've seen this comparison thang a while ago.
    Aside from the RME's extra bells and whistles (which I'm sure are of great quality) the 1224's specs are very close, when you look at it for what it's main function is designed, that being a box that an analog signal goes into to become a digital signal. Like I said, it would not be easy to tell the difference “with your ears”. You'd have to go to the next level of converters to really HEAR more audio information.The rule of thumb for audio quality, once you've reached a basic industry standard level, seems to be this:
    For a little more quality or audio resolution you have to pay A LOT more money. In this case, for example, converters from epogee (the Rosetta), Mytek, Euphonix..... Here you will definitely hear a little more/better of a difference. But first, you’ll have to break the bank!
    The thing I like about MOTU stuff is that they seem to undercut their competitors without undercutting the quality of their product...... Peace
     
  11. alphajerk

    alphajerk Active Member

    i dont know about that. i can hear differences. and the RME isnt that much $$$ [$1400], but i AM looking at the 1296 from motu. specs are one thing [which dont really mean a helluva lot in the real world] and i dont think a rosetta will stand up against an RME [especially 2 channels costing as much as 8 WITH DA] the RME doesnt really have many bells and whistles, i guess why their price is lower.

    and it depends on what you are running into it in the first place... you wont hear a difference witha 57 into a mackie pre into whoevers ADAC, but you will hear a difference with better more revealing equipment beforehand.
     
  12. Tony C

    Tony C Guest

    If you think the Rosetta doesn't sound as good as the RME, that's cool! If your gonna buy some converters, the important thing is to make sure they sound good to you.. right? .. rock on!
     
  13. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Well...the 828 is out and running amuck..here we go with issues allready at hand..watch out for any Firewire cards that have the NEC chipsets on them..they dont work with the 828 and have audio drop outs and other strange anomolies(I love that word!!) If you are going to get a Firewire card make sure it has the T1(texas Insturments chips)
    Cards with NEC---> Orange Micro ..there's one other I forget allready..how the mind slips..
    Cards with T1---> ADS Pyro and Keyspan
    Also MOTU has tested the 828 with Firewire hard drives and they "say" it works fine..if anyone here as other reports let it be known!!

    Opus :)
     
  14. Hollywood

    Hollywood Guest

    I had the first 828 in Seattle (by accident). I was returning the us428 for the third time. Thanks TASCAM. I want (828) to work with PT but have not had luck yet, but packaged AD works great with my PB-FW. Here I am learning a forth app. trying to find the right fit. Sheesh! I still need a C.Surf. to fit in a small rack drawer to make it fully mobile. I haven't challanged the unit yet though, but will let ya'll know what I find out.
    Hollywood
    "Make margaritas not war"!
     
  15. Got the 828. Love it. Simple. Clean. Good. Of course, I'm upgrading from going into my mac with the original 1/8" jack that came with it so, I'd be happy with anything. But it is sweet... I'm sure I should get a good mic pre though.

    Jake
     
  16. Hollywood

    Hollywood Guest

    No MIDI I/O. What to do?
     
  17. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Hollywood....get a USB Midi!!
    Stay away from Midiman on a mac..bad drivers...go with MOTU if you are on DP and stay with FreeMidi..

    Just a warning to all that get the 828's....they have SPDIF issues with clocking from external devices...I tested over THIRTY of these and only 8 or so actually clocked !!! ouch!!!! Just a little FYI all
    Opus :roll:
     
  18. Tempted to have this notebook based very portable studio but seems this one won't break the limit of 48 KHz. Also have seen other MOTU devices got the same limit (but still expandable for extra money). I currently own an Echo Mona card and do feel big difference at 96 KHz. Wish 828 could offer this. What do you guys think about it?

    Capi
     
  19. subspace

    subspace Guest

    Go to MHLabs.com and check out there Mobile I/O. It's a 24/96 firewire interface that ships at the end of this month. It's powerable from the firewire bus and has 8 mic pres/A2Ds, 8 D2As, lightpipe I/O, AES/EBU and S/PDIF I/O, and a separate headphone D2A/amp. $1500. There's a user list at yahoogroups.com for the box and it isn't even out yet, search on Metric Halo...
     
  20. :) Good one! But it doesn't have lightpipe I/O, just AES and SPDIF... anyway, who cares, if it's got 8 I/O at 96KHz. I'm just affraid about firewire latency... is that such an issue? Hope not.
    Capi
     

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