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Mouth Noise

Discussion in 'Vocals' started by soundman132, Sep 12, 2008.

  1. soundman132

    soundman132 Guest

    I an recording a singer that sings very quietly. To get a good level I have to crank up the gain. I am getting lots of mouth noise and no amount of water or apple juice seem to fix the problem. I can remove most of the noise but it is time consumming. I have tried different mics, U87, akg 414, Cad, and am now using 421 with pop filter and wind screen. Still getting it. Moved the mic to all sorts of positions. Can't think of anything else to do. Any ideas ?????
     
  2. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    Without reading your post, my suggestion based on the topic title is to use a pop shield.
    Now I realise you do have sense in you.

    Have you tried angling the mic to point away from your mouth, say at 70 degrees coming across from the left/right hand side?
     
  3. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    What are the relative levels of the vocals and the noises? Is some sort of expander an option?

    Of course, the real answer is singing lessons, but probably not an option.
     
  4. GeckoMusic

    GeckoMusic Guest

    A de-esser may help for some mouth noise. Or a noise gate if it is the sound of a mouth opening before singing.
     
  5. AwedOne

    AwedOne Guest

    Compared to 20 years ago, I've been hearing a lot of mouth and breath sounds in popular recordings of late. It seems to add a bit of intimacy to the performances. I assumed it was an artistic decision on the producer's part to leave them in.
     
  6. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    yea, that or the smoke. I say get the girl a drink of water and tell her to Man up!!!
     
  7. MadTiger3000

    MadTiger3000 Active Member

    Unless she's singing "Walk on the Wild Side" or "Lola," I wouldn't recommend that.
     
  8. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    Get your voice out there, project it, make it audible for christs sake.

    Stop singing like a girl!!!
     
  9. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    Mouth noise has always been an apparent problem with certain performers. Some people are just more juicy than others or have dentures. Announcers with dentures are a huge problem as they frequently click. But there is no good way to remedy this issue.

    Since certain noises are impulse transient in nature, I would try "click/pop" noise reduction removal, in software?

    Another possibility is to utilize a downward expander with peak detector, not RMS, with a variable control threshold & variable depth. You set the depth to between -3 & -10. Fast attack, medium release. But setting the threshold is the trickiest part. This won't necessarily eliminate the sounds but reduce them to more reasonable and listenable levels. It will also help to remedy the sound of gasping for breath since compression will just exacerbate the problem.

    I like to be just ducky
    Ms. Remy Ann David
     
  10. Yoda117

    Yoda117 Guest

    all good pieces of advice IMO.

    From a VO perspective, the inclination is to first use an off-mic approach if possible and to work your way towards HW options from there.

    I've had a few folks in my studio of late who made me very happy that I'd purchased a Lil' FrEQ (recently added a new pair), as it has one of the nicest de-essers I've ever used.
     

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